Yes, Derek, I have followed the discussion with great interest, but not
participated myself. It seams like reason has won, and someone even
tries to enhance the current XSP-block! 0:-)
As a side note here, look at <?a=93967486800002&r=1&w=2>
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=110848544625231&w=2
where Stefano Mazzocchi writes about the two "camps" on the dev-list.
<?a=93967486800002&r=1&w=2>
A simple db-webapp with Flow/CForms and SQL *could* be as follows:
* Use one pipeline with the SQL-transformer to generate an XML-document
from the DB.
* Bind this document to the Form (load)
* When the document is edited (save), inject the document to another
pipeline with JX, using XSLT and SQL-transformer to update the DB.
Reading and "writing" the bound XML from and to pipelines makes the
implementation transparent to Flow and CForms, so substituting the
implementation is easy (we use our own XDB based on SQL instead of
SQL-statements, but the principle is the same).
Just a tip in the "right" direction... ;-)
Askild
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Derek Hohls wrote:
Askild
My skills are similar to yours... but, I have not seen any
documents or examples that deal with the creation of a
full-fledged DB app that only uses XSLT, XML, SQL-transformer
and Flow/CForms. I'd be very happy if you can point me in the
right direction.
Thanks.
P.S. XSP is *not* deprecated (see other threads for this).
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Derek Hohls wrote:
Tom
Ok; that is one viewpoint. But I think these quotes from the Wiki:
http://wiki.apache.org/cocoon/GettingStartedWithCocoonAndHibernate
are also pertinent:
"Be aware that you will not be ready to write Hibernate-based applications
in 5 minutes. You are about to venture into a complex topic. Sit back, get a
cup of tea and prepare for some **days** of reading and learning.
The following skills are mandatory:
You need to be proficient in Java..."
I did spend a fair chunk of last year downloading and days reading through
the Hibernate documents - they do seem fairly comprehensive and
well-written... but they are not simple or straightforward. And for
someone like myself, with skills in XML, XSLT, Javascript, SQL... all of
which have been more than sufficient to develop webapps with Cocoon over
the past few - the add-in of high-level Java skills to the mix is a really "gotcha"
that significantly raises the learning barrier here.
So to rephrase my original point - is this the only way to develop interactive
database webapps with Cocoon - or should PHP start looking like an attractive
option once more?!
It's the "only" way if your skills are in Java only... ;-)
The Cocoon-community seems divided in two different camps; one that use
it as a Java-development framework, and another that uses it as an
XML-development framework.
I myself belong to the second, using only XML, XSLT, transformers (e.g.
SQL), XSP (e.q. ESQL) and Flow. A lot of people will point my finger at
me shouting "bad practice", XSP is deprecated! The original idea behind
XSP was to have an efficient way to prototype/script generators, but
having been misused for "control" in the MVC-pattern, some looks at XSP
itself as bad design...
So, sitemaps, XSLT, XML, SQL-transformer and optionaly Flow will get you
a long way to develop yout interactive database wepabb. Used in the
right manner, it works - brilliantly!
In the end it's your ability to design a good architechture that saves
the day, not a lot of fancy tools and frameworks.
Askild
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