On Oct 25, 2005, at 12:18 AM, Torsten Curdt wrote:

I have some processing invoked from flow that's not OK to just abandon if the user abandons their session. In particular, this processing logic "reserves" some resources in the database.

BAD BAD BAD!! Don't!!

Why?  What's so BAD about it? :-)

...any other way of approaching that logic? What is it?

The application is a ticketing system. We have to reserve the tickets in the database before we process the payment transaction so that we don't oversell our tickets. So, reserving the tickets is transactional (using Spring+Hibernate+MySQL), while the payment processing is long but non-transactional. We have to know that we will be able to issue the requested number of tickets, before we can bill the customer's credit card.

There are other ways to handle this that I can think of, and they are are all bad:

1) Process the payment first, with no guarantee of availability. Once payment is secure, attempt to reserve the tickets. If the requested number of tickets are no longer available, then run another transaction to reverse the payment. I really don't like this idea...

2) Just do it all atomically within the transaction. This is bad for two reasons. First of all, it has *really* poor concurrency properties. Suppose you and I are both trying to purchase tickets at the same time, and I win the race and make it into my transaction first. Your transaction will then have to wait for as long as it takes mine to complete — including the interaction with the payment processor (Verisign) which takes a long time — before yours can even get started, and then of course you will have to wait for your own transaction to complete before you see any reply. The second reason it is bad is that the design calls for a self-refreshing "please wait, transaction in process yada yada" screen to be displayed while the transaction is in process. This requires that the purchase processing be done aysnchronously w.r.t. to the client request, and that is impossible if it is all to be within a single database transaction, due to lifetime issues with the Hibernate Session and Transaction objects (specifically: the main thread would be closing the Hibernate Session at the end of processing the HTTP request, while the secondary thread is still in mid-transaction. A solution to that would be to use the Hibernate "long session" pattern, but that's too invasive of a change to make at this point. BTW you would not like that, you would say it is "BAD BAD BAD"! :-) :-)

3) Use a delayed capture on the credit card, i.e. the first transaction is an authorization that places a hold on the funds. Then if the attempt to reserve tickets is successful, we follow up with the capture transaction. If we weren't able to reserve the tickets after all, then we don't. This is bad because for multiple reasons that I don't have time to go into right now.

4) Periodically run a task that sweeps through the database, "harvesting" tickets that were reserved but never committed.


Something like that *could* be implemented but endorses a bad design.

Well, once again I am most interested to hear just what it is that is so bad about the design. You say "BAD, BAD, BAD" with no explanation, so that might as well just be FUD, FUD, FUD!

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