Ted,

If you have access to the DI2E.net system, then this USMTF DFDL schema
(partial. Mostly just ATO) may help you as OTH-G has similarities.

https://bitbucket.di2e.net/projects/DFDL/repos/usmtf/browse

If you don't have that access, then please get in contact privately and
we'll arrange to get you a copy by other means.

Of possible interest: I am currently adding features to Daffodil that will
support OTH-G style check-digits i.e., verifying them, computing them on
unparse.
This will come out in release 3.2.0 later this year.

-mikeb




On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 6:35 AM Theodore Toth <ted.toth....@sage.northcom.mil>
wrote:

> I'm still struggling with optional subelements at the end of an
> element this time for a complex type, the approach that worked for a
> simpleType doesn't work for a complex type. I'm getting  "[error]
> Parse Error: Terminator '%NL;%WSP*;' not found". I'm not sure yet but
> a newline might not be a valid terminator for a OTH-GOLD message line
> :(
> Also how would you specify an optional literal like '//' at the end of
> an element when there can be other option subelements separated by '/'
> prior to it?
>
> On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 4:12 AM Beckerle, Mike
> <mbecke...@owlcyberdefense.com> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry for the late response on this. Turns out outlook 365 was spam
> filtering some apache emails. It's a known issue with microsoft's spam
> filters.
> >
> > The sequence wrapped around elem5 doesn't need a dfdl:separator because
> the elem5 has maxOccurs 1, so there will never be enough things to separate.
> >
> > Otherwise yeah, this looks like what I was suggesting.
> >
> > I agree that the DFDL spec is quite painful in numerous areas.
> Unfortunately I have to take the blame for some of that. Someday I hope
> some sections will get refactored and rewritten.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Theodore Toth <ted.toth....@sage.northcom.mil>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 12:21 AM
> > To: users@daffodil.apache.org <users@daffodil.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: optional int and unparse formatting
> >
> > The following worked for me although I don't know if it's the 'right'
> > way to do it. Reading the spec can give you a headache.
> >
> > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> > <xs:schema
> >     xmlns:xs="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema";
> >     xmlns:dfdl="http://www.ogf.org/dfdl/dfdl-1.0/";>
> >
> >   <xs:include schemaLocation="default-dfdl-properties/defaults.dfdl.xsd"
> />
> >   <xs:annotation>
> >     <xs:appinfo source="http://www.ogf.org/dfdl/";>
> >       <dfdl:format ref="default-dfdl-properties" />
> >     </xs:appinfo>
> >   </xs:annotation>
> >
> >   <xs:element name="FOO"
> >               dfdl:initiator="FOO/"
> >               dfdl:lengthKind="implicit"
> >               dfdl:terminator="%NL;%WSP*;">
> >
> >     <xs:complexType>
> >       <xs:sequence dfdl:sequenceKind="ordered"
> >                    dfdl:separator="/"
> >                    dfdl:separatorPosition="infix">
> >
> >         <xs:element name="elem1">
> >           <xs:simpleType>
> >             <xs:restriction base="xs:string">
> >               <xs:minLength value="1"/>
> >               <xs:maxLength value="14"/>
> >               <xs:pattern value="[A-Z0-9,:%#*\- ]+"/>
> >             </xs:restriction>
> >           </xs:simpleType>
> >         </xs:element>
> >
> >         <xs:element name="elem2">
> >           <xs:simpleType>
> >             <xs:restriction base="xs:string">
> >               <xs:pattern value="CAT|DOG|HORSE"/>
> >             </xs:restriction>
> >           </xs:simpleType>
> >         </xs:element>
> >
> >         <xs:element name="elem3" dfdl:textNumberPattern="#0000">
> >           <xs:simpleType>
> >             <xs:restriction base="xs:int">
> >               <xs:minInclusive value="1"/>
> >               <xs:maxInclusive value="99999"/>
> >             </xs:restriction>
> >           </xs:simpleType>
> >         </xs:element>
> >
> >         <xs:element name="elem4" minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="1">
> >           <xs:simpleType>
> >             <xs:restriction base="xs:string">
> >               <xs:minLength value="1"/>
> >               <xs:maxLength value="20"/>
> >             </xs:restriction>
> >           </xs:simpleType>
> >         </xs:element>
> >
> >         <xs:sequence dfdl:separator="/" dfdl:terminator="/"
> >                      dfdl:separatorSuppressionPolicy="anyEmpty">
> >           <xs:element name="elem5" minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="1"
> >                       dfdl:textNumberPattern="000">
> >             <xs:simpleType>
> >               <xs:restriction base="xs:int">
> >                 <xs:minInclusive value="1"/>
> >                 <xs:maxInclusive value="999"/>
> >               </xs:restriction>
> >             </xs:simpleType>
> >           </xs:element>
> >         </xs:sequence>
> >
> >       </xs:sequence>
> >     </xs:complexType>
> >   </xs:element>
> >
> > </xs:schema>
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 9:31 AM Theodore Toth
> > <ted.toth....@sage.northcom.mil> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the response.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 12:49 AM Beckerle, Mike
> > > <mbecke...@owlcyberdefense.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Good question.
> > > >
> > > > I think what is happening is this. elem5 fails to parse because it
> is an empty string, but then the parse backtracks, and here's the trick:
> that means it is putting back the separator before this array/optional
> element. Then your schema has nothing to absorb the final separator.
> > > >
> > > > Your schema has expressed an optional element, but what you want is
> a required separator, then an optional element after it.
> > > >
> > > > I think wrapping an xs:sequence around elem5 will fix this.
> > >
> > > So the required separator goes on the sequence?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > To be sure, I need to see the occursCountKind property, lengthKind
> property, etc. Basically I need to be able to reproduce your run.
> > > > I would need your default-dfdl-properties/defaults.dfdl.xsd file.
> > > >
> > > Here's my defaults that I pulled from the DFDL-part1 presentation:
> > >
> > > ?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> > >
> > > <schema xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema";
> > >         xmlns:dfdl="http://www.ogf.org/dfdl/dfdl-1.0/";
> > >         xmlns:xs="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema";>
> > >
> > >   <xs:annotation>
> > >     <xs:appinfo source="http://www.ogf.org/dfdl/";>
> > >       <dfdl:defineFormat name="default-dfdl-properties">
> > >         <dfdl:format
> > >             alignment="1"
> > >             alignmentUnits="bytes"
> > >             binaryFloatRep="ieee"
> > >             binaryNumberRep="binary"
> > >             bitOrder="mostSignificantBitFirst"
> > >             byteOrder="bigEndian"
> > >             calendarPatternKind="implicit"
> > >             documentFinalTerminatorCanBeMissing="yes"
> > >             emptyValueDelimiterPolicy="none"
> > >             encoding="ISO-8859-1"
> > >             encodingErrorPolicy="replace"
> > >             escapeSchemeRef=""
> > >             fillByte="f"
> > >             floating="no"
> > >             ignoreCase="no"
> > >             initiator=""
> > >             initiatedContent="no"
> > >             leadingSkip="0"
> > >             lengthKind="delimited"
> > >             lengthUnits="characters"
> > >             nilKind="literalValue"
> > >             nilValueDelimiterPolicy="none"
> > >             occursCountKind="implicit"
> > >             outputNewLine="%CR;%LF;"
> > >             representation="text"
> > >             separator=""
> > >             separatorPosition="infix"
> > >             separatorSuppressionPolicy="never"
> > >             sequenceKind="ordered"
> > >             terminator=""
> > >             textBidi="no"
> > >             textNumberCheckPolicy="strict"
> > >             textNumberPattern="#,##0.###;-#,##0.###"
> > >             textNumberRep="standard"
> > >             textNumberRounding="explicit"
> > >             textNumberRoundingIncrement="0"
> > >             textNumberRoundingMode="roundUnnecessary"
> > >             textOutputMinLength="0"
> > >             textPadKind="none"
> > >             textStandardBase="10"
> > >             textStandardExponentRep="E"
> > >             textStandardInfinityRep="Inf"
> > >             textStandardNaNRep="NaN"
> > >             textStandardZeroRep="0"
> > >             textStandardDecimalSeparator="."
> > >             textStandardGroupingSeparator=","
> > >             textTrimKind="none"
> > >             trailingSkip="0"
> > >             truncateSpecifiedLengthString="no"
> > >             utf16Width="fixed"/>
> > >           </dfdl:defineFormat>
> > >         </xs:appinfo>
> > >       </xs:annotation>
> > >     </schema>
> > >
> > >
> > > > w.r.t your 0001 issue....
> > > >
> > > > The ability to control text number formats like leading zeros, is by
> way of the dfdl:textNumberPattern property. I think you want different
> values for this property for your two integer-type elements if they are
> supposed to have different numbers of digits, as evidenced by their max
> values of 999 and 99999.
> > > >
> > > > However, your request that 0001 be preserved is not consistent with
> either 999 nor 99999 as max values. So I'm not sure what you are trying to
> achieve in this format.
> > >
> > > Just trying to teach an old dog some new tricks.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > DFDL does not "remember how the integer was presented". It parses it
> according to rules, creates an xs:int in the infoset, and at that point the
> leading zero information is gone. It then unparses according to rules. If
> you want 0001 to parse and unparse as 0001, you want
> dfdl:textNumberPattern="#0000". That will give you 4 digits, optionally a
> fifth if needed, but will always produce 4.
> > > >
> > > > But in this case, if you are first parsing, then unparsing data,
> then incoming "01" will also unparse as "0001". Using
> dfdl:textNumberPattern="#0000" means "canonical form for this data is at
> least 4 digits". If you parse the data using dfdl:lengthKind='delimited',
> then your schema has expressed "tolerate any number of digits, but always
> canonicalize to at least 4 digits".
> > >
> > > I'll play with this.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > If you want the text of these numbers preserved, not canonicalized,
> and your application does both parse and unparse, like data security apps
> often do, then you need to use strings, not numbers.
> > >
> > > If I were to use strings how would I then validate that the value was
> > > in some range?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Note, however, that preserving leading/trailing non-numerically
> significant zeros is a security hole - they can be used to carry covert
> channel data.
> > > > Canonicalization of data is fundamentally more secure.
> > > >
> > > > The usual reason people want preservation of data exactly, character
> for character, is to make test/QA easier. That's ok so long as you get that
> there is a loss of some data security when non-information-carrying things
> like leading/trailing zeros are preserved.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Theodore Toth <ted.toth....@sage.northcom.mil>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2021 2:45 AM
> > > > To: users@daffodil.apache.org <users@daffodil.apache.org>
> > > > Subject: optional int and unparse formatting
> > > >
> > > > I just started looking at daffodil and have a few questions about my
> > > > first experiment:
> > > > Here's my dfdl:
> > > >
> > > > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> > > > <xs:schema
> > > >     xmlns:xs="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema";
> > > >     xmlns:dfdl="http://www.ogf.org/dfdl/dfdl-1.0/";>
> > > >
> > > >   <xs:include
> schemaLocation="default-dfdl-properties/defaults.dfdl.xsd" />
> > > >   <xs:annotation>
> > > >     <xs:appinfo source="http://www.ogf.org/dfdl/";>
> > > >       <dfdl:format ref="default-dfdl-properties" />
> > > >     </xs:appinfo>
> > > >   </xs:annotation>
> > > >
> > > >   <xs:element name="FOO"
> > > >               dfdl:initiator="FOO/"
> > > >               dfdl:lengthKind="implicit">
> > > > <!--
> > > >               dfdl:terminator="//%NL;%WSP*;">
> > > > -->
> > > >     <xs:complexType>
> > > >       <xs:sequence dfdl:sequenceKind="ordered"
> > > >                    dfdl:separator="/"
> > > >                    dfdl:separatorPosition="infix">
> > > >
> > > >         <xs:element name="elem1">
> > > >           <xs:simpleType>
> > > >             <xs:restriction base="xs:string">
> > > >               <xs:minLength value="1"/>
> > > >               <xs:maxLength value="14"/>
> > > >             </xs:restriction>
> > > >           </xs:simpleType>
> > > >         </xs:element>
> > > >
> > > >         <xs:element name="elem2">
> > > >           <xs:simpleType>
> > > >             <xs:restriction base="xs:string">
> > > >               <xs:pattern value="CAT|DOG|HORSE"/>
> > > >             </xs:restriction>
> > > >           </xs:simpleType>
> > > >         </xs:element>
> > > >
> > > >         <xs:element name="elem3">
> > > >           <xs:simpleType>
> > > >             <xs:restriction base="xs:int">
> > > >               <xs:minInclusive value="1"/>
> > > >               <xs:maxInclusive value="99999"/>
> > > >             </xs:restriction>
> > > >           </xs:simpleType>
> > > >         </xs:element>
> > > >
> > > >         <xs:element name="elem4" minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="1">
> > > >           <xs:simpleType>
> > > >             <xs:restriction base="xs:string">
> > > >               <xs:minLength value="1"/>
> > > >               <xs:maxLength value="20"/>
> > > >             </xs:restriction>
> > > >           </xs:simpleType>
> > > >         </xs:element>
> > > >
> > > >         <xs:element name="elem5" minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="1">
> > > >           <xs:simpleType>
> > > >             <xs:restriction base="xs:int">
> > > >               <xs:minInclusive value="1"/>
> > > >               <xs:maxInclusive value="999"/>
> > > >             </xs:restriction>
> > > >           </xs:simpleType>
> > > >         </xs:element>
> > > >       </xs:sequence>
> > > >     </xs:complexType>
> > > >   </xs:element>
> > > >
> > > > </xs:schema>
> > > >
> > > > Here's some test data:
> > > > FOO/GONE FISHIN/DOG/0001///
> > > >
> > > > The parse fails with:
> > > > [error] Parse Error: Unable to parse xs:int from empty string
> > > > Schema context: elem5 Location line 59 column 10 in
> > > > file:/home/tedx/dfdl-test/test.dfdl.xsd
> > > > Data location was preceding byte 26
> > > >
> > > > Why does it fail when elem5 has minOccurs="0"? elem5 is optional.
> > > >
> > > > Then if I put a 0 before the last slash it generates:
> > > > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> > > > <FOO>
> > > >   <elem1>GONE FISHIN</elem1>
> > > >   <elem2>DOG</elem2>
> > > >   <elem3>1</elem3>
> > > >   <elem4></elem4>
> > > >   <elem5>0</elem5>
> > > > </FOO>
> > > >
> > > > and when I unparse it generates:
> > > > FOO/GONE FISHIN/DOG/1//0
> > > >
> > > > but I'd like it to output 0001 for elem3, how do I do that?
> > > >
> > > > Ted
>

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