On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:23 PM, eppleton<[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi David, > > Sigil really looks interesting from what I've seen. It's quite complementary > to what I'm doing right now. I've started with a simple visual admin tool. > There will be a project on Kenai for this, probably next week. > > The next step after that will be to create basic support for OSGi > Development in NetBeans. I've started a project for this here: > http://kenai.com/projects/osgi-support. For this part I'll definitely have a > closer look at Sigil. I'm especially interested in resolving build > dependencies from repositories. Ant/Ivy is perfect for NB as well. This will > make development a lot easier.
So the medium term goal is to define a set of common OSGi model elements that can then be used in multiple development environments - at the moment we support eclipse and ivy but I see no reason why this couldn't be extended to Netbeans, IntelliJ, Maven, etal given sufficient interest/time. In sigil we have built a resolver that understands this model and can navigate around various abstracted repository providers (currently just file system and obr) to pull the relevant OSGi artifacts that satisfy build dependencies. There is another conversation on going at the moment regarding potential pooling of resources and reusing either the Felix runtime resolver or the OBR resolver or some super set of all of these to do really fast resolution of hard problems like uses (which for the time being the sigil resolver neatly ignores) > > Do you have bnd file support, or are you creating the Properties for bnd > on-the-fly? We have our own file format, though it is very similar to BND in that it is just a simple properties file vs an xml file, the main reason for this being that it makes it easier to edit the file outside of the IDE environment. Currently we parse this file and generate bnd instructions based on the project environment (i.e. we support inheritance of properties from parent projects - which saves all the leaf nodes declaring boilerplate headers and version ranges). > > I'll start working on this part as soon as I've got my admin tool running. No probs, talk later ;) Regards, Dave > > Cheers > > --Toni > > > David Savage wrote: >> >> Hi Toni, >> >> So Sigil is new here at Felix too, we're currently in a migration >> phase at the moment as this used to be hosted at >> http://sigil.codecauldron.org, but there's some docs here: >> >> http://felix.apache.org/site/apache-felix-sigil.html >> >> and I've set up a bunch of issues here: >> >> http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&&pid=12310100&component=12312962&resolution=-1&sorter/field=priority&sorter/order=DESC >> >> I have sigil to a stage where it can build itself - i.e. resolve >> dependencies from external repositories based on import/require OSGi >> meta data and compile and build the bundles to then be manually >> installed in eclipse. There's currently no netbeans integration mainly >> due to bandwidth but the underlying model is pretty portable as it can >> be used in both ivy and eclipse environments. >> >> The plan at the moment for the debug support is to use the Felix >> launcher which is now able to launch any other OSGi framework via the >> new OSGi 4.2 launcher api - of course there's still work to plugin the >> process control to the IDE and visualise the various options for OSGi >> launching. >> >> Feel free to post questions here or on the dev mailing list if you're >> interested in getting involved :) >> >> Regards, >> >> Dave >> >> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:43 AM, eppleton<[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> no this is the first time IM on this list. Sure, maybe we can join >>> forces. >>> Do you have a thread for this? >>> >>> --Toni >>> >>> >>> >>> David Savage-3 wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Toni, >>>> >>>> Sorry off topic from your question but, just wondering if you've seen >>>> sigil here on felix, which is attempting to build a common set of osgi >>>> developer tools. I'm currently looking runtime support in eclipse >>>> wondering if you'd be interested in joining forces to work on netbeans >>>> integration? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12 Aug 2009, at 10:10, eppleton <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Is there a way to get the classes of the OSGi API and the Felix >>>>> implementation in two separate JARs? >>>>> >>>>> I'm creating a plugin for NetBeans to register and administrate OSGi >>>>> containers. Felix ist the default, but I want my tool to rely on the >>>>> API >>>>> only in order to be able to plugin other implementations (e.g. >>>>> Knopflerfish). So the UI can display information for a Bundle >>>>> regardless >>>>> where it comes from. >>>>> >>>>> If there's nothing like that out-of-the-box, I'll do it manually. The >>>>> question then is: Would that work since it seems I'll also have to >>>>> split up >>>>> the manifest then... >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> --Toni >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> View this message in context: >>>>> http://www.nabble.com/APi-and-Implementation-in-separate-JARs-tp24931883p24931883.html >>>>> Sent from the Apache Felix - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >>>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >>> http://www.nabble.com/APi-and-Implementation-in-separate-JARs-tp24931883p24933924.html >>> Sent from the Apache Felix - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >> >> >> > > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/APi-and-Implementation-in-separate-JARs-tp24931883p24936379.html > Sent from the Apache Felix - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
