still about the subject here a post that i invite everyone to read, <a href="http&&58;&&47;&&47;blogs.adobe.com&&47;typblography&&47;2013&&47;05&&47;adobe-contributes-cff-rasterizer-to-freetype.html" target="_blank" class="newlyinsertedlink">http&&58;&&47;&&47;blogs.adobe.com&&47;typblography&&47;2013&&47;05&&47;adobe-contributes-cff-rasterizer-to-freetype.html</a>
also on the end we have some links to cff font type only. also that post have some reference to this post: "The Benefits Of OpenType/CFF Over TrueType" <a href="http&&58;&&47;&&47;blogs.adobe.com&&47;typblography&&47;2010&&47;12&&47;the-benefits-of-opentypecff-over-truetype.html" target="_blank" class="newlyinsertedlink">http&&58;&&47;&&47;blogs.adobe.com&&47;typblography&&47;2010&&47;12&&47;the-benefits-of-opentypecff-over-truetype.html</a> another site to download cff: <a href="http://fontcache.com/tag/opentype-cff/" target="_blank" class="newlyinsertedlink">http://fontcache.com/tag/opentype-cff/</a> Miguel ---------------------------------------- > To: users@flex.apache.org > From: miguel.cd.ferre...@hotmail.com > Subject: RE: blurry fonts > Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 00:02:07 +0200 > > But this info is really top. > And can really make all the difference. > And in all the post, forums or mail list is the first time that was mentioned > and tomorrow i really want to try this > > Sent from my Windows Phone > ________________________________ > From: Alex Harui<mailto:aha...@adobe.com> > Sent: 09.10.2013 23:39 > To: users@flex.apache.org<mailto:users@flex.apache.org> > Subject: RE: blurry fonts > > I'm not an expert in this area, but my understanding is that an OTF file can > contain TTF or CFF data. CFF uses different curvature control points than > TTF. If the data is in TTF format, the curves have to be converted and there > could be fidelity issues. If the data is already in CFF format then you > should be seeing it as good as it gets. > > -Alex > ________________________________________ > From: modjkl...@comcast.net [modjkl...@comcast.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 10:11 AM > To: users@flex.apache.org > Subject: Re: blurry fonts > > Thanks Alex, > > My font source file is .otf > > How I embed for MX: > > > @font-face { > fontFamily:arial_mx; > src:url("Fonts/ArialUnicodeMS_Regular.otf"); > unicodeRange: U+0020-007E, U+03A9; > embedAsCFF: false; > fontStyle:normal; > fontWeight:normal; > } > > How I embed for Spark: > > @font-face { > fontFamily:arial_s; > src:url("Fonts/ArialUnicodeMS_Regular.otf"); > unicodeRange: U+0020-007E; > embedAsCFF: true; > fontWeight:normal; > fontStyle:normal; > } > > Doesn't the "embedAsCFF:true;" line above implement the glyph conversion > requirement that you're referring to? > > Or, are you saying I need to use a source file having a .cff extension > instead of .otf (or .ttf)? > All the documentation I've seen just says to set the embedAsCFF switch as > above. For example: > > http://help.adobe.com/en_US/flex/using/WS2db454920e96a9e51e63e3d11c0bf69084-7f5f.html > > Let me know if I'm missing something. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com> > To: users@flex.apache.org > Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 9:51:11 AM > Subject: RE: blurry fonts > > It occurs to me that the issue may be in the transcoding of the font. The > Spark components use the underlying flash.text.engine classes which use CFF > fonts. If you are embedding TTF, then I believe a glyph conversion has to > happen. It may be that if you can find a font file that has its glyphs > encoded as CFF it will look better. > > -Alex > ________________________________________ > From: modjkl...@comcast.net [modjkl...@comcast.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 9:45 AM > To: users@flex.apache.org > Subject: Re: blurry fonts > > I just wanted to solicit from other Flex users which specific fonts > successfully embed without being blurry. > > I've tried embedding all the Helvetica and Arial fonts installed on my Mac > and they look blurry compared to the non-embedded versions in the same app. > The embedded fonts for spark are short and fat and for MX are tall and skinny. > > Ideally, someone could refer me to a Helvetica/Arial font that they know > embeds fine. However, assuming I don't get that feedback and I need to find a > new font, I'm hoping anyone with good embed results can share their favorite > font (for Enterprise desktop applications, in my case) to benefit all users. > > Someone mentioned earlier Google Roboto, which I'll try out soon. For > reference below, Miguel mentions OpenSans, and Mihai mentions Myriad Pro. > > Thanks in advance for any feedback. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Miguel Ferreira" <miguel.cd.ferre...@hotmail.com> > To: users@flex.apache.org > Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 2:52:38 AM > Subject: RE: blurry fonts > > Hi all thank you for all the information. > > I was out and just today i came back to the office. > > So, i will write a resume of my working solution. > > Font: OpenSans link:<a > href="http&&58;&&47;&&47;www.google.com&&47;fonts&&47;specimen&&47;Open&&43;Sans" > target="_blank" > class="newlyinsertedlink">http&&58;&&47;&&47;www.google.com&&47;fonts&&47;specimen&&47;Open&&43;Sans</a> > > on the global css turned off the kerning: > > global > { > kerning: off; > fontFamily: main; > fontSize: 11; > } > > how the fonts are embebed: > > @font-face > { > src: url("assets/fonts/OpenSans-Regular.ttf"); > fontFamily: AppFont; > fontStyle: normal; > fontWeight: normal; > embedAsCFF: true; > } > > @font-face > { > src: url("assets/fonts/OpenSans-Italic.ttf"); > fontFamily: AppFont; > fontStyle: italic; > fontWeight: normal; > embedAsCFF: true; > } > ... > > @Alex: Thanks for the info about the playerglobal. > i tried with the version 10.2 when it worked well,but when i tried the > configuration above and the result was also good in the version 11.8 i choose > for the last version. > > In this moment i will have to change components to spark like forms, > datagrid, images, spacers, etc... > And for the next release is +1 application on Apache Flex SDK 4.10! > > Thanks for all that help and that maintain the community alive! > > Best regards, > Miguel > > > >> From: mihai.ch...@gmail.com >> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 19:52:01 +0100 >> Subject: Re: blurry fonts >> To: users@flex.apache.org >> >> The way I did it was to edit the font file directly using Type >> Light<http://www.cr8software.net/typelight.html>. >> I went into Font->Font Options..., deselected Kerning and saved it on top >> of the original font file. With this treatment, the font does not trigger >> the bug I mentioned, yet is still readable. I did not turn off kerning as >> suggested by Maurice. I'm not even sure it would have made a difference now >> that the font did not have this information to begin with. >> >> If you're using another OS, I'm sure there is another good font editor that >> you can use to make this change. >> >> Hope it helps. >> >> >> On 4 October 2013 18:43, Maurice Amsellem <maurice.amsel...@systar.com>wrote: >> >>> Ah, ok. >>> >>> -----Message d'origine----- >>> De : modjkl...@comcast.net [mailto:modjkl...@comcast.net] >>> Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2013 19:42 >>> À : users@flex.apache.org >>> Objet : Re: blurry fonts >>> >>> Thanks Maurice, >>> >>> >>> Mihai's post below states to remove kerning to avoid a bug: >>> >>> >>> However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning >>> information inside it until we have a resolution for this bug< >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779> . >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Maurice Amsellem" <maurice.amsel...@systar.com> >>> To: users@flex.apache.org >>> Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 10:29:42 AM >>> Subject: RE: blurry fonts >>> >>> global { >>> kerning: off; >>> } >>> >>> However, usually text is more readable when kerning is on, especially for >>> some letters combinations, eg AV and things like that. >>> So why would you turn it off? >>> >>> Maurice >>> >>> -----Message d'origine----- >>> De : modjkl...@comcast.net [mailto:modjkl...@comcast.net] >>> Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2013 19:12 >>> À : users@flex.apache.org >>> Objet : Re: blurry fonts >>> >>> I like peoples suggestions for embedded fonts that look nice. >>> >>> >>> Just curious though, how does one remove the kerning? Do you need special >>> font software to manipulate this? Or, is it done directly in the font file >>> somehow? Or, done using actionscript code? etc. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mihai Chira" <mihai.ch...@gmail.com> >>> To: users@flex.apache.org >>> Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 1:15:27 AM >>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts >>> >>> Hey Miguel, >>> >>> >>> we're using Myriad Web >>> Pro<http://www.azfonts.net/load_font/myriadwebpro.html>with the latest >>> version of the SDK and it looks just fine. We also make software meant for >>> many hours' use. >>> >>> However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning >>> information inside it until we have a resolution for this bug< >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779> >>> . >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> Mihai >>> >>> >>> On 4 October 2013 08:16, Miguel Ferreira <miguel.cd.ferre...@hotmail.com >>>>wrote: >>> >>>> The difference is really big. >>>> Even the colors of some item renders. >>>> But the question for me is, that will depend of the user player? >>>> For the older version is more redable but even so with the font opensans >>>> the difference is smaller. >>>> There is some font that the guy from the new renderer adivce?Because if >>>> they say that is better they should have some study cases were they can >>>> prove that. >>>> So maybe they can advice on good font for a flex enterprise >>>> application.Where the user work with it between 4 to 8 hours per day. >>>> Because with that blurry foggy fonts will be a nightmare. >>>> Thanks alex for be always available... almost 24/7 >>>> Miguel >>>>> From: aha...@adobe.com >>>>> To: users@flex.apache.org >>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 23:40:44 -0700 >>>>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts >>>>> >>>>> Did you try it with an older swf version? >>>>> >>>>> On 10/3/13 11:08 PM, "Miguel Ferreira" <miguel.cd.ferre...@hotmail.com >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Thank you all, >>>>>>I am trying with another font type to see if i can have a better >>>>>>results.Because of the "better" rendering was one of my key issues to >>>>>>update to the last version to try to keep up with the Apache >>> evolution, >>>>>>but after the project manager saw the result was really hard to >>> convince >>>>>>him that we are on the right path following the steps and evolution of >>>>>>Apache releases. >>>>>>I tried OpenSans and i have a better result but on the edges if we go >>> to >>>>>>detail we can see that is not perfect is still a little bit foggy! >>>>>>Another font suggestion is always welcome? >>>>>>@tom >>>>>>"- it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for >>>>>>>>the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we >>> found >>>> a >>>>>>>>combination that worked well." >>>>>>can you tell what combinations you did that worked out? >>>>>>Thanks,Miguel >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: aha...@adobe.com >>>>>>> To: users@flex.apache.org >>>>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 09:19:11 -0700 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can't find the email thread, but the answer I got was that there >>> is >>>> no >>>>>>> equivalent of gridFitType because the new font rendering algorithm >>> is >>>>>>> "better". IIRC, it is "better" because it employs some anti-aliasing >>>>>>> algorithm on all edges, not just one ones that are unlucky enough to >>>> not >>>>>>> fall on pixel boundaries, and doesn't mess with inter-character >>>> spacing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That said, several folks are unhappy with this algorithm. One >>>>>>>experiment >>>>>>> for you to try now that we have more version flexibility in Apache >>>> Flex >>>>>>>is >>>>>>> to set your player/air versions back to whatever it was in 4.1 or >>> even >>>>>>> 4.0. That might cause the player to select an older rendering >>>>>>>algorithm. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HTH, >>>>>>> -Alex >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10/3/13 7:24 AM, "modjkl...@comcast.net" <modjkl...@comcast.net> >>>>>>>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I've always had problems with embedded fonts in 4.5.1 SDK. I've >>> tried >>>>>>>so >>>>>>>>much to overcome it. Seems no matter which version of Arial or >>>>>>>Helvetica >>>>>>>>I embed, the spark text always looks shorter and fat (e.g. blurry), >>>> and >>>>>>>>the mx text looks tall and skinny. The hinting options, while >>> having >>>> an >>>>>>>>effect, don't seem to correct this. If anyone has settings that >>> make >>>> an >>>>>>>>embedded font (Arial or Helvetica) look normal, I'd really like to >>>> try >>>>>>>>them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>From: "Tom Chiverton" <t...@extravision.com> >>>>>>>>To: users@flex.apache.org >>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 6:59:30 AM >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: blurry fonts >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On 03/10/2013 14:54, Miguel Ferreira wrote: >>>>>>>>> I am finalizing a updated to my costumer from flex 4.1.0 to flex >>>>>>>4.10.0 >>>>>>>>>and the fonts really look horrible. >>>>>>>>We had the same issue when migrating up from Adobe Flex 4.1 to >>> Apache >>>>>>>>4.x - it took some experimenting with the various hinting options >>> for >>>>>>>>the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we >>> found >>>> a >>>>>>>>combination that worked well. >>>>>>>>I'd start by stripping out any relevant styles, then add in a >>>> specific >>>>>>>>embeded font, then have a look at the various hinting options >>>>>>>available. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Tom >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> > >
