Alex:

No, I have not considered loading & running directly. It is an interesting 
thought however.

My approach is to load the file to the client computer as needed, then 
executing the local swf file..

My problem is I need a solution which will work today. Converting to Royale, 
Haxe or something else which would require significant effort will come later. 
I was counting on people being able to maintain older browser/flash when Adobe 
stopped supporting new Flash patches. Unfortunately this is not a viable 
strategy.

Once I have a methodology where my customers will be able to run after 12/2020, 
then I can focus on a long term solution.

I really like the concept of Ruffle, where we could maintain our codebase and 
run in am emulator. I switched to Flex many years ago because as a long time 
software developer, developing ASP at the time, I felt the vagaries of the 
various browser DOMs to be incompatible with serious software development. 
While the various JS frameworks which have been developed over the intervening 
years have created a layer of abstraction between the application developer and 
the browser DOM, the problem still exists.

So I will continue to search (possibly in vain) for a "thin client" deployment 
methodology which supports a single DOM. Should I not succeed in finding this, 
I will find the best HTML5/JS framework available and slog my way through the 
learning curve, hoping that whoever maintains the framework is staying on top 
of the latest stupidity features of the available browsers.

Paul R. Stearns
Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc.

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From: Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
Sent: 6/12/20 12:29 PM
To: "users@flex.apache.org" <users@flex.apache.org>, "pa...@compuace.com" 
<pa...@compuace.com>, DarrenEvans <darren.ev...@allocatesoftware.com>
Subject: Re: Flex to Adobe AIR migration
@pa...@compuace.com Do you know for a fact that you can't loadBytes your SWF 
from the network and get it to run properly?

@DarrenEvans I'm interested in more details on your solution as well. If it 
still involves a Flash Player to run a SWF, the ability to get a free Flash 
Player on a new computer after 2020 is not guaranteed.

Royale/FlexJS is certainly not a zero-effort migration, but should be less 
effort than a full port to an all-JS solution. What was supposed to happen is 
that everyone pitched in with bug fixes and collectively made migration easier 
for everyone else. There is no big money driving development of Royale or Flex. 
It was supposed to become a community effort where each team migrating their 
Flex app had at least one person get to know the Royale framework well enough 
to fix bugs in it. Royale still can become a larger community effort, IMO, but 
requires more of you to get involved and become framework developers. Being 
able to fix your own bugs in software you depend on is your best defense 
against an uncertain future. That's why Flex and Royale are open source at 
Apache. So that no corporation that owns the code.

Thanks,
-Alex

On 6/12/20, 5:36 AM, "Paul Stearns" <pa...@compuace.com.INVALID> wrote:

Darren:

Would you be willing to share the "Adobe Air SWF Launcher?" If not we would be 
very interested in as much detail as you would be willing to share, so that we 
could replicate it.

What I am in the middle of writing is a main application shell which checks the 
date of the local SWF, the corresponding SWF hosted on a web site, and if the 
local one is older download the one from the web site.

Paul R. Stearns
Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc.

15280 NW 79th Ct.
Suite 250
Miami Lakes, Fl 33016

Voice: (305)623-0360 x107
Fax: (305)623-4588

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From: DarrenEvans <darren.ev...@allocatesoftware.com>
Sent: 6/12/20 7:14 AM
To: users@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: Flex to Adobe AIR migration
Hi Sam,

We were in exactly the same situation. I'm not sure how big your application
is but ours was absolutely huge; many millions of lines of Flex/AS code.

We looked at Apache Royale / FlexJS when it was in its infancy and we simply
could not justify the time and effort it would take to port it to that. The
component selection simply was not there, the IDE support was minimal and it
was an absolute pain to get the smallest of bits to compile and display
anything plus all the MXML needed rewriting.

We wanted a quick solution that could use the existing code base, as-is,
while we rewrote the product using React/HTML/D3/SVG.

First step was creating a direct Adobe Air compilation of the original
codebase. We also used IntelliJ IDE and I never had a problem with it
requiring the FlashPlayer. Other than working through some base component
issues and some other bugs that surfaced, it wasn't too bad.

We ended up extending that and going for a solution that loaded the original
SWF file and essentially hosted it in via what we termed the "Adobe Air SWF
Launcher" (almost a surrogate FlashPlayer). This way we didn't need our
customers to reinstall the Application if there were bugs or tweaks, we
could simply host a new SWF which would be consumed by our launcher.

Cheers, Dal

Sam wrote
> Hi, I have a requirement to convert Apache flex web based application to
> Adobe air, currently application runs on any browser with support of adobe
> flash player, since Adobe flash is no longer going to be supported after
> 2020, we are trying to figure out the different options. one best option
> suggested was Adobe AIR,
>
> I have used Intellij IDE to create Adobe AIR web sample project with
> Adobe
> AIR and flex SDK, but when i try to run the application, it prompts to
> enable flash player. Are there any suggestions to how to create adobe air
> web based project, so that it would not ask for flash player. Appreciate
> even a small help, Thankyou!
>
>
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