On 9/10/2011 2:55 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
An odf-purists lists might be interesting though I am not sure how one discerns
what it means to be odf-pure, as opposed to OpenOffice-pure. Maybe it is about
OpenOffice purism, where use of the native ODF Open ... and Save As ... is
handled. No opening by clicking on .doc/.docx files, etc.
I'd say the developers are certainly concerned with making that part work as
well as possible.
Not sure how you'd describe the list so fellow purists would know they were
fellow purists. I shall watch with interest.
- Dennis
BAFFLEMENT
I am baffled by this statement though:
"Such a program would be rather useless without a free file format."
Is not ODF a free format?
Or is the assumption that Tim Deaton wants "everything MS Office 97 did" to
include open and save as .doc, .xls, and .ppt?
I guess that doesn't matter for the odf-purists list. The non-purists get to
deal with it.
I would think that availability of free-to-the-public specifications for
[MS-DOC], [MS-XLS], [MS-PPT], [RTF] and some of the common features like
[MS-OFFCRYPTO] would be handy for the non-purists. That those and more are
covered by the Open Specification Promise will be sufficient reassurance for
some of us, I think.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andreas Säger [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 10:19
To: [email protected]
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: odf purists mailing list request
Am 10.09.2011 18:37, Tim Deaton wrote:
Personally, I want LO to be able to do everything MS Office 97 did, and
mostly the way MS Office 97 did it - but that works well on current
operating systems.
Such a program would be rather useless without a free file format.
I'm not thinking file formats at all. The open-source file formats are
an advantage. Mostly I use spreadsheets & word processing. I used to
work in Access a lot, but since a 2008 job change am just maintaining a
few databases I use at home.
For what I do in word processing, Writer already works fine for me, and
I use it almost exclusively. But I'm mostly doing individual letters
(no mail-merge or other heavy-duty stuff).
For spreadsheets, I'm more finicky. All the functions I used in Excel
work now in OOo v3, but what I think of as convenience features are
still lagging. I'd like to see things like "Insert Cut (or Copied)
Cells added to the right-click context menu, for instance. (That was
discussed in another thread recently.) Another thing I'd like is to be
able to crop objects (like screen-prints pasted into a spreadsheet)
using the mouse, instead of having to try to make adjustments in a small
cropping window where it is very difficult to see what you're doing.
I'm sure others who've used both MSOffice and OO/LO will have other
areas in mind where things could be made easier.
I think what really gets me about the "purists" approach is the idea
that OO/LO ought to be different just to be different. That reminds me
these days of Microsoft's approach to their "Ribbon". If there's a
better way of doing things, great. But if not, then adopt what's
already been successful elsewhere.
And I focus on MS Office 97 because I see MS Office as the main
competition, and because of all the versions of MS Office I've used, I
like that one the best. v2003's help system is less helpful, and I hate
v2007's ribbon. v2010's ribbon feels a little better, but I'd still
take the traditional menus any day.
-- Tim
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