Hi :) +1 In my country there is a saying "a miss is as good as a mile". I do kinda agree with Dennis about the point that using xml in a zip-file format is a bit like using a red pen on paper. Just because 2 people use the same tools doesn't mean the result will be very similar.
Regards from Tom :) >________________________________ > From: VA <cuyfa...@hotmail.com> >To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org; users@global.libreoffice.org >Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2012, 21:12 >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for >LibreOffice > >What I find maddening is that two document formats can be so similar, and yet >remain so different. As Maxwell Smart would say, "missed by THAT much." > >Virgil > >-----Original Message----- From: Dennis E. Hamilton >Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 1:27 PM >To: 'VA' ; 'Pedro' ; users@global.libreoffice.org >Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for >LibreOffice > >I don't understand the maddening aspect of this reaction. I suppose I don't >have to. > >When ODF was developed at OASIS, one of the design points was to be based on >the functionality of OpenOffice 1.x as it was at the time, starting from an >XML format that was developed for that product. It was explicitly ruled out >of scope for the format to have counterparts of Microsoft Office document >features. > >When OOXML was developed, using the Open Packaging Conventions that were >already used by Microsoft for a different project, a critical goal was to have >fidelity-preserving, convertible features of legacy Microsoft Office >documents. There is also a strict version that doesn't include so much of the >legacy accommodation and has some better feature provisions going forward. > >There you have it. ODF 1.0 then ODF 1.1 and now ODF 1.2. Also, OOXML >versions 1 through 3 (so far), although ODF changed more from ODF 1.1 to ODF >1.2 (because of the addition of OpenFormula) than anything that happened to >OOXML since the ISO OOXML version. > >Neither of these are DocBook (an XML document format) or DITA or any other >XML-carried document format. None of that is surprising in any technical way: >XML is not a document format, it is a markup format for extending and >customizing into any number of document models and schemas. XML by itself >(unlike HTML, yet-another document format) doesn't establish any kind of >document format whatsoever. > >There was an ISO working group looking into the harmonization of document >formats, especially with what could make better portability among OOXML-based >and ODF-based software. A recent report on the subject is rather >interesting. Look at ><http://www.interoperability-center.com/en/dokumenten-iop-lab>. The final >report on Document Profiling and a White Paper on Document Interoperability >are listed in the "Publications" sidebar. > >- Dennis > >-----Original Message----- >From: VA [mailto:cuyfa...@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 06:56 >To: Pedro; users@global.libreoffice.org >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for >LibreOffice > >This is utterly maddening. > >Based on Pedro's post, I ran a simple test. I created a document in Word >(.docx) and an identical document in LibO (.odt). I saved them both and then >extracted their contents using 7-zip Manager. I was amazed at how similar >the two document contents were, and yet how different. Neither document had >any of the binary smilie faces I've come to expect by opening a .doc >document in a text editor. All of the individual files contained formatting >codes in simple text. And, yet... > >The maddening part is how two programs can create the same type of documents >(xml files saved in a zipped format) and yet remain so completely different. > >[ ... ] > > >-- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org >Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > > > -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
