Hi :)
I think that link didn't work.  Well, it didn't for me anyway.  It just gave me 
a search-engine list of articles about Java.  
Regards from
Tom :)  




----- Original Message -----
> From: anne-ology <lagin...@gmail.com>
> To: Tom <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: Stuart <vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu>; Users@global.libreoffice.org
> Sent: Sunday, 30 December 2012, 21:00
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] where's the 
> accessibility?
> 
>        Here's a listing of alternative java programs -
> 
> http://www.techsupportalert.com/search/google/java?query=java&cx=partner-pub-4337260311855789%3A5365410881&cof=FORID%3A10&sitesearch=&safe=high
> 
>           along with discussion from various users.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:24 AM, V Stuart Foote 
> <vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu>wrote:
> 
> Tom,
>> 
>>  Probably, I'm pretty certain this issue has actually been with us since
>>  the Java JRE 1.6 -> JRE 1.7 crossover. It impacts usability with AT 
> because
>>  large segments of the GUI are no longer functional with screen and brail
>>  readers under JRE 1.7's Java Accessibility API even though the JAB is
>>  appears to be delivering identical roles and obejcts.
>> 
>>  For now, rolling back to a JRE 1.6 and its more functional JAAPI may be
>>  the best suggestion for LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice users in need of
>>  AT.  The Java dependency may eventually be dropped, depending on where
>>  things go with BASE and HSQLDB and implementing a non-Java accessibility
>>  bridge based AT for Windows, i.e.an IAccessible2 implementation or
>>  possibly an AT-SPI2 port.
>> 
>>  Question beside the workaround of using a JRE 1.6, is if there is much
>>  developer and TDF Board desire to repair AT and possibly BASE for use with
>>  JRE 1.7 and a more current HSQLDB build.
>> 
>>  Stuart
>> 
>> 
>>  From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk]
>>  Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 10:45 AM
>>  To: Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org
>>  Cc: V Stuart Foote
>>  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] where's the accessibility?
>> 
>>  Hi :)
>>  Should the devs be made aware of problems with the newer release of Java
>>  (again)?
>> 
>>  Each new release of Java creates more problems and each is soon found to
>>  have more security issues so another new one needs to be released quickly.
>>   It's a 3rd party product that is difficult to track.
>> 
>>  Regards from
>>  Tom :)
>> 
>> 
>>  From: V Stuart Foote <vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu>
>>  To: accessibil...@global.libreoffice.org
>>  Sent: Saturday, 29 December 2012, 16:13
>>  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] where's the accessibility?
>> 
>>  Simon,
>> 
>>  There appears to be a change in the JRE 1.7 and JAB 2.0.3 that is reducing
>>  the fidelity of the Java Accessibility API rendering of both LibreOffice
>>  and
>>  OpenOffice.  This is affecting both NVDA and Jaws screen readers.
>> 
>>  I've been unable to find any Oracle documentation on API changes from 
> the
>>  2.02 to 2.03  JAB or JAAPI, but something is definitely changed.  Reviewing
>>  the JAB delivered document structure with JavaMonkey shows the 2.02
>>  rendering to be identical with the 2.0.3 rendering--but with JRE 1.7 its
>>  JAAPI appears to process the result differently and does not fully render
>>  the results in either screen reader.
>> 
>>  Are you able to roll back to JRE 1.6 and a JAB 2.0.2 installation  and
>>  retest the issues you've had with LibreOffice 3.6.4? And otherwise 
> asses AT
>>  usability with the earlier Java runtimes?
>> 
>>  Downloads needed to roll back are here:
>> 
>>  JRE 1.6u38
>>  <
>> 
> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre6u38-downloads-1877409.html
>>  >
>>  JWin.exe installer for JAB 2.0.2 <
>>  http://empowermentzone.com/JWin_setup.exe>
>> 
>> 
>>  Stuart
>> 
>> 
> 
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