Hi :) Thanks for that. I found that i hadn't already signed it! Weird because i thought i signed it ages ago from this email account. Regards from Tom :)
>________________________________ > From: Girvin R. Herr <[email protected]> >To: Tom Davies <[email protected]> >Cc: webmaster-Kracked_P_P <[email protected]>; LibreO - Users Global ><[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, 22 January 2013, 20:13 >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] is MSFT running scared ... > >Tom, et. al., >Here is another computer system boot issue that should be of concern to >free software, especially OS's: > > http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot > >Sleep tight. >Girvin Herr > > > >Tom Davies wrote: >> Hi :) >> Yes, installing a new Windows alongside an existing one still does >> over-write the Mbr and hides all previous versions of Windows as well as any >> other OSes you have. It doesn't matter if the newer version is on a >> different physical drive or on an external drive or anything else. >> >> One trick is to physically unplug the drive with the Mbr you want to save >> and then install the newer Windows on it's own drive. it will overwrite the >> Mbr on it's drive but will leave the unplugged drive's Mbr alone. Then when >> you plug in the old drive then hopefully you can set the bios to boot the >> old drive first. Of course this means the old drive is unaware of the new >> install so you'll need to run something like >> sudo update-grub >> from you old Gnu&Linux distro. >> >> Regards form >> Tom :) >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P <[email protected]> >>> To: LibreO - Users Global <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, 22 January 2013, 0:39 >>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] is MSFT running scared ... >>> >>> >>> Maybe you should give the URL for the Linux-based boot repair disk [.iso >>> file download]. I do not remember it it. >>> >>> I have two different disk type/names. >>> >>> "boot-repair-disk.iso" - 355 MB >>> >>> "ubuntu-secure-remix-12.10-32-bit.iso" - 787 MB >>> "ubuntu-secure-remix-12.10-64-bit.iso" - 797.1 MB >>> >>> I think I used the "boot-repair-disk" version since all you had to do was >>> choose your OS version/type you are using. I think I remember correctly >>> that there was only 4 buttons to choose from once the disk/OS booted up. >>> >>> My Dell laptop had 32-bit Vista even though 64-bit Vista was out and >>> working. Too cheap maybe to include it, since it cost us more for the >>> 64-bit version back then. I just upgraded that dual boot laptop 64-bit >>> Win7 professional from 32-bit Vista and 64-bit Ubuntu 12.10 from 12.04 >>> version. Win7/pro killed the dual booting till I ran the "repair disk". I >>> tend to use the Ubuntu boot for the testing of the newest version of Ubuntu >>> [10.04 to 10.10 to 11.04 to 11.10 to 12.04 to 12.10] before I upgrade it on >>> my "production desktop". I upgraded the Vista to Win7/pro [64-bit] so I >>> can have a working 64-bit Windows OS on one of my systems without going to >>> Win8, since I do not have any touch screens except on my Android 4.0 tablet. >>> >>> Actually, I wonder if Win7 or Win8 would break the dual [or triple] booting >>> a laptop if both boot partitions were running a Windows OS before one was >>> upgraded from XP or Vista to Win7 or Win8? Would Windows break the >>> multi-boot if there would be two+ Windows OSs on the same system but in >>> different boot partitions? >>> >>> Windows 2000 was for business based on Win NT, while Win Millennium was for >>> the home user based on Win98. Millennium was worse than Vista ever was and >>> most users I dealt with switched to Win 2000 till XP [home or professional] >>> came out. >>> >>> Win8 look and feel is a reworking of their failed smart phone OS. They >>> decided that they still liked it and moved it to the Win8 tablet OS. BUT, >>> someone had the bad idea of wanting all of "your" Windows based systems to >>> look and "feel" the same. I do not want my "production desktop" to have >>> the "look and feel" of my tablet. I hated Unity's look and feel when it >>> came out in the Spring of 2011. Win8 seemed to look and feel the same. I >>> read that a large number of Ubuntu user switched to Mint Linux because of >>> Unity. If MS would have looked at the "fallout" when Ubuntu went to Unity, >>> maybe they would have thought twice about using a tablet looking OS desktop >>> display for their desktop/laptop OSs. I kept Ubuntu, but switched to MATE >>> for the desktop environment. >>> >>> For my opinion what business users in my area will do with new Win8 >>> systems; not buy them if they can get new Win7 systems or downgrade the new >>> Win8 systems to Win7. Every business user I have talked to locally hates >>> the look of Win8 and do not want to have to pay for the training to get >>> their users to be able to use it. XP/Vista to Win7 was a little change, >>> but XP/Vista/Win7 to Win8 was a real big change that needs a lot of >>> training. TV ads for retail computer stores use to offer free Win8 >>> training so people could learn how to deal with the big changes. Well, >>> those TV ads are all gone, along with most of the Win8 ads [number of ads >>> per day/week] are gone now. Almost all of the MS's tablet are gone now, >>> but there are some major computer companies [like HP] ads about tablet to >>> laptop convertibles though replacing MS's "tablet with a keyboard" ads.. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 01/21/2013 04:55 PM, Tom Davies wrote: >>> >>>> Hi :) >>>> There is always 'unexpectedly low' take-up of Windows newest OS when it >>>> first gets released. Historically corporate users have learned to leave >>>> it until after at least the first Service Pack gets released. One time MS >>>> tried to boost sales by claiming that Service Pack 1 was included in the >>>> initial release. >>>> >>>> Usually there is a requirement to upgrade quite a bit of hardware in order >>>> to run the newer version of Windows and that creates reluctance until >>>> people have had time to save-up or plan for rolling out new hardware for >>>> the new OS. >>>> >>>> Installing Windows always installs their boot-loader (used to be "ntldr") >>>> which overwrites the MBR of the hard-drive and then ignores any other OSes >>>> on the machine so that you can only boot into Windows. To reinstate your >>>> MBR just boot into a LIveCd or LiveUsb or some other way of booting into a >>>> Gnu&Linux and just repair or reinstall just the boot-loader of your >>>> distro. You don't need a special recovery or repair disk although those >>>> sorts of things are just one way to boot into a Gnu&Linux. You also don't >>>> need to reinstall the entire distro. It's just a case of repairing your >>>> boot-loader. One of the final steps of the repair involves 'updating' >>>> your boot-loader and if that is one on a unix-based platform (such as >>>> Gnu&Linux, Bsd or whatever) then it picks up the new version of Windows >>>> that your just installed. Fixing the Mbr is really easy once you have >>>> done it once. >>>> >>>> Typically Windows seem to have 1 bad version followed by 1 good one and >>>> then the next is bad. Vista was apparently so bad that many people said >>>> they "upgraded" from Vista back to Xp. Even though that was a backwards >>>> step many considered it an upgrade. Win7 was quite good. Before Xp was >>>> Millenium which was generally considered so appalling that people are more >>>> likely to have heard of Win98. So, people might be expecting Win8 to be >>>> another dead OS. >>>> >>>> However there is also often quite strong resistance to new things. >>>> Especially to new versions of Windows. people have just about become >>>> familiar with the older one and don't like the newer ways of doing things >>>> and the fact that it's difficult to find things or work out how to deal >>>> with issues that they had just learned how to solve on the previous. With >>>> Gnu&Linux it doesn't matter what changes happen to the DE you can always >>>> modify it or even just install the old one on your new OS. >>>> >>>> Regards from >>>> Tom :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> *From:* webmaster-Kracked_P_P <[email protected]> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Sent:* Monday, 21 January 2013, 16:34 >>>> *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] is MSFT running scared ... >>>> >>>> On 01/21/2013 10:41 AM, anne-ology wrote: >>>> > ... maybe not, but this makes me wonder why they were >>>> promoting this >>>> > new OS and now are plugging a how-to re. it ;-) >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>>http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/get-free-book-windows-8-microsoft-press.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gizmosbest+%28Gizmo%27s+Best-ever+Freeware%29 >>>> > >>>> > As for me, I'm very thankful there's LO, and with such a >>>> great >>>> > help-list of fellow users :-) >>>> > >>>> >>>> The articles I have read seem to tell Win7 users to forget to >>>> upgrade to Win8 if you do not have a touch screen. >>>> >>>> MS's tablet has had low sales figures, much lower than expected or >>>> the hype would let you believe. >>>> >>>> So, giving tech people a free e-book about Win8 is a way for them >>>> to promote that OS. >>>> >>>> I have heard from a few business users where they took their Win8 >>>> upgrade and "degrade" it back to XP or Win7. So maybe MS needs to >>>> convince the business users to buy the Win8 upgrade or even new >>>> Win8 systems, instead of upgrading to, and/or buying, systems >>>> with, Win7. >>>> >>>> I just upgraded 32-bit Vista to 64-bit Win7/pro instead of the >>>> cheaper priced Win8 deal. I have it on a laptop that is a dual >>>> boot for 64-bit Win7/pro and 64-bit Ubuntu 12.10 [with MATE >>>> desktop environment]. That upgrade "killed" the dual booting so I >>>> need to use the repair disk. The way I have read seems to be that >>>> Win8 would do something with that laptop where it would not be >>>> able to dual even after the boot fixing disk. I use the laptop for >>>> my main Windows laptop and the Ubuntu boot is where I test out the >>>> new version[s] of the OS before I install it onto my main >>>> "production" desktop. I hate the Unity desktop for Ubuntu, so why >>>> would I buy Win8 with the same type of desktop "tile" look and feel. >>>> >>>> >>> -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: [email protected] >>> Problems? >>> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>> deleted >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
