Thanks;
for adding this interesting addition.
BTW - curiously wondering - if a 'weekend geek' is also in the
mid-way range between the novices & the geeks, referring to these machines
as 'glorified typewriters' ;-)
[oops, there I go again - what will this machine do this time as
revenge against me ;-) ]
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Virgil Arrington <[email protected]>wrote:
I should have added my caveat that I claim no computer expertise. I'm just
> a weekend geek with enough knowledge to be dangerous.
>
> When I copy fonts to my C:\Windows\Fonts folder, I get a message saying
> something along the lines of "Installing ____ font" or words to that
> effect. It may be (again I speak from ignorance) that copying the fonts
> does the same thing as using the "official" install procedure. Windows is
> notorious for having a zillion different ways of accomplishing a task.
>
> My experience has been that fonts installed in the C:\Windows\Fonts folder
> are available system wide. Again, I've never had a problem regardless of my
> method of installation.
>
> However, fonts installed in other folders may only be available to
> specific programs. For example, Adobe Reader comes bundled with a couple of
> really nice fonts (ex. Minion Pro), but it installs them in a subfolder of
> the Adobe Reader program. I've always suspected that Adobe does this on
> purpose so that the fonts are available *only* to Adobe Reader and not
> other programs.
>
>
> Virgil
>
>
>
> From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 2:07 PM
>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Does Libre Office have its own distinct
> setoffonts?
>
>
> I was always taught to use the install procedure.
>
> It use to be that you can have fonts in that folder, but not being used
> by you system. I am glad that that as been removed.
>
> It is alway good to looks at the fonts with a font viewer just before
> you install them, so you make sure they are the ones you want. I have
> accidentally installed a bunch of fonts that were not useful to me, when
> I was dealing with XP and Vista systems on a regular basis. Now I use
> Ubuntu on my desktop first and Win XP and Win7 on laptops, as needed.
>
>
> On 02/25/2013 01:21 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
>
>> When I install fonts to my Win7 computer, I just copy the font files to
>> the "C:\windows\fonts" folder using Windows Explorer. I've never had a
>> problem doing it this way.
>>
>> Virgil
>>
>> From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P
>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:48 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Does Libre Office have its own distinct
>> setof fonts?
>>
>>
>> For Win7 systems - you can see them through Control Panel > All Control
>> Panel Items > Fonts
>> which was on the left hand side of the window.
>>
>> Now you can delete the fonts by right clicking on it and using the
>> delete option[s].
>> To install fonts, you must have the font setting to NOT make a "link" to
>> the font. That is always trouble.
>> So from there, you just have a list of fonts in a "working folder" and
>> right click on the font[s] you want to install and use the "install"
>> option.
>>
>> That is how I do this.
>>
>> The only issue is you will need to know what fonts all of you packages
>> use so you do not delete any needed ones. For myself, I have over 200
>> "items" listed on my Win7 laptop and over 500 font files in my .fonts
>> folder on my Ubuntu desktop.
>>
>>
>> On 02/25/2013 12:29 PM, anne-ology wrote:
>>
>>> yikes ;-(
>>> and the proper way for WIN7 would be ??? ;-)
>>> I was just about to check into finding more then plopping them
>>> in;
>>> now I'll wait for further instructions.
>>>
>>> yep ... I think this 'glorified typewriter' is making me 'feel
>>> stupider & stupider' ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 8:25 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> For the Windows users, and the Linux users, you really should use the
>>>> font
>>>> install procedures.
>>>>
>>>> For Windows, there should be a font listing in its Control Panel and a
>>>> way
>>>> to install fonts there.
>>>>
>>>> For Ubuntu users, all you have to do in click on the font and it should
>>>> open the font installation window with the "install" button. That way
>>>> you
>>>> can see the font before you install it. I like that better than
>>>> "dumping"
>>>> the font into the hidden ".fonts" folder. This is mostly the fonts you
>>>> install after the fact and not ones installed by the OS.
>>>>
>>>> If you are never going to use any non-English language, then do this. .
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> Open LibreOffice and scroll down the list of fonts in the font drop-box
>>>> in
>>>> the "formatting" toolbar.
>>>>
>>>> Look at the fonts that have a name on the left and glyphs on the right.
>>>> This will show for "dinbats" and icon based fonts. ALSO it will show
>>>> you
>>>> glyphs for the non-English/non-Latin style of fonts.
>>>>
>>>> Think Arabic or an Asian language.
>>>>
>>>> At that point, write down all of the font names that have these fonts
>>>> you
>>>> do not want. Then go to a package that has a font viewer and search for
>>>> the fonts, if the is no file name that matches. I have a bunch of fonts
>>>> like that.
>>>>
>>>> To be honest, there are other places that hold the fonts for Ubuntu, so
>>>> you will have to search for then. BE CAREFUL not to remove any folders
>>>> or
>>>> delete them permanently since you might have removed a needed for for
>>>> one
>>>> of your packages. My install of Ubuntu has many Middle Eastern and
>>>> Asian
>>>> fonts installed by default, even though I use English for my language. I
>>>> may remove most of them someday, but it will be a slow process so I do
>>>> not
>>>> make any mistakes. If you use Ubuntu, use the Software Center and look
>>>> at
>>>> the font packages installed. Then remove those that are not part of
>>>> your
>>>> language, like India or Arabic for English.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 02/23/2013 08:23 PM, anne-ology wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Doug <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 02/23/2013 07:40 PM, anne-ology wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for responding;
>>>>>> but I haven't the foggiest idea what you've said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the font directory of the distro ??? ... AAMOF ???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would really enjoy getting rid of all those 'junk' fonts
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> finding then dropping in the good ones;
>>>>>> but I haven't a clue as to how to so do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ok, it's probably some simple step to locate these then drop
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> into whatever folder ...
>>>>>> but 'the more I learn of these glorified typewriters,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> stupider I feel' ;-) ;-) ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AAMOF=as a matter of fact
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You will find a bunch of directories labelled fonts. You want one that
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> a list of
>>>>>> fonts showing as subdirectories. In my distro (pclos) they're in
>>>>>> /usr/share:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [doug@linux1 fonts]$ ls -la
>>>>>> total 184
>>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 17 root root 4096 Feb 19 00:22 ./
>>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 266 root root 12288 Feb 22 12:04 ../
>>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 98304 Jun 8 2011 100dpi/
>>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jun 8 2011 75dpi/
>>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jun 8 2011 cyrillic/
>>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Sep 22 2011 default/
>>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Jun 8 2011 encodings/
>>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Feb 22 12:07 java/
>>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 20480 Jun 8 2011 misc/
>>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jun 8 2011 OTF/
>>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jun 8 2011 Speedo/
>>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Feb 19 00:22 truetype/
>>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Aug 20 2012 ttf/
>>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Jun 8 2011 TTF/
>>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jun 8 2011 Type1/
>>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jun 12 2011 ubuntu/
>>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Oct 16 2010 webcore/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Notice the names: three sets of true-types, a type 1, even
>>>>>> cyrillic, if you happen to use Russian! All of the Latin letters
>>>>>> can be modified with accent marks, etc. if you make a
>>>>>> compose key. You'll also have some signs, like €, ¢, ₤,
>>>>>> ½, ¼, ß (German ess-tset) and whatever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought I saw, somewhere in this thread, someone who
>>>>>> told where to get the Microsoft fonts--these are True-Tupe,
>>>>>> or ttf, and have the kind of fonts you want so as to look
>>>>>> professional in whatever you write. BTW, do _not_
>>>>>> remove the old font directory without having one at
>>>>>> hand to replace it with, because if you do, there will be
>>>>>> absolutely _nothing_ readable in any program! As I
>>>>>> have said, all the programs on the system use the
>>>>>> fonts in that font directory. There might be one or two
>>>>>> exceptions, but more likely not. You don't have to
>>>>>> remove the old font directory--you can just drop the
>>>>>> new fonts in with the old, and you'll just have a bigger
>>>>>> list to choose from. I dumped it, because I thought the
>>>>>> existing ones in Mint were basically useless.
>>>>>> If you have a search routine in your email, search for ms,
>>>>>> I think that's the abbreviation the previous poster used,
>>>>>> when telling how to get Microsoft fonts. They're free, you
>>>>>> don't have to buy them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope that helps. --doug
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Doug <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 02/23/2013 06:22 PM, anne-ology wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then how does one get these new ones into the programs for
>>>>>>> use?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As you quoted me before, you weren't reading what I said: put the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ffonts in the font directory of your distro. they should then be
>>>>>>> available for any program on the machine, including LO. That's
>>>>>>> just what I did on the Mint installation. AAMOF, I deleted all
>>>>>>> the crap fonts that were on the machine--Liberation and a
>>>>>>> whole batch of Asian fonts in languages I couldn't even recognize--
>>>>>>> and just dumped in a whole directory of usable fonts--probably
>>>>>>> True-Type, supplied on another distro that wasn't so damned PC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --doug
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Doug <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 02/21/2013 12:30 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 02/21/2013 12:01 PM, Paddy Landau wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if Libre Office has a separate set of fonts from
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> operating system, or at least some of the fonts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll explain my problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If I have a look at Character Map to find a character that I want
>>>>>>>>>>> (let's
>>>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>>> it is an aeroplane), I can find it in the Webdings font (Unicode
>>>>>>>>>>> 00d2, or
>>>>>>>>>>> Ò). See screenshot 1:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://nabble.****documentfound**ation.org/file/****<http://ation.org/file/**>
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://documentfoundation.**org/file/**<http://documentfoundation.org/file/**>
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> n4039236/Character_Map.png<
>>>>>>>>>>> http://nabble.**documentfounda**tion.org/file/**<http://documentfoundation.org/file/**>
>>>>>>>>>>> n4039236/Character_Map.png<htt**p://nabble.documentfoundation.**
>>>>>>>>>>> org/file/n4039236/Character_**Map.png<http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4039236/Character_Map.png>
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But when I use that character in Libre Office and set the font to
>>>>>>>>>>> Webdings,
>>>>>>>>>>> it shows a different character, specifically an in-box. See
>>>>>>>>>>> screenshot 2:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://nabble.**
>>>>>>>>>>> documentfoundation.org/file/******n4039236/Libre_Office_**<http://documentfoundation.org/file/****n4039236/Libre_Office_**>
>>>>>>>>>>> <htt**p://documentfoundation.org/**
>>>>>>>>>>> file/**n4039236/Libre_Office_****<http://documentfoundation.org/file/**n4039236/Libre_Office_**>
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> characters.png<
>>>>>>>>>>> http://nabble.**documentfounda**tion.org/file/**<http://documentfoundation.org/file/**>
>>>>>>>>>>> n4039236/Libre_Office_****characters.png<http://nabble.**
>>>>>>>>>>> documentfoundation.org/file/**n4039236/Libre_Office_**
>>>>>>>>>>> characters.png<http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4039236/Libre_Office_characters.png>
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Note that not all characters do this. For example, the first 52
>>>>>>>>>>> characters
>>>>>>>>>>> (A-Z and a-z) are correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to know how to solve this discrepancy, so that I can
>>>>>>>>>>> search
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> characters in Character Map (or an equivalent program) and then
>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> Libre Office. (I have tried an alternative program, Specimen Font
>>>>>>>>>>> Viewer,
>>>>>>>>>>> and it shows the same thing as Character Map.)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am using Linux Ubuntu 12.04 (64-bit, fully updated) with Libre
>>>>>>>>>>> Office
>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0.0.3 (installed directly from the Libre Office website).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My 12.04 shows a list of fonts at
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> /opt/libreoffice4.0/share/******fonts/truetype/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are mostly "DejaVu" and "Liberation" fonts but there are
>>>>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>>>>> listed as well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I made sure the fonts listed there were also listed in the
>>>>>>>>>> /.fonts/
>>>>>>>>>> hidden folder. that way I had the same fonts for all my packages.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was recently looking at Mint, a derivative of Ubuntu, and I
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> appalled at the paucity of fonts. "Liberation" is ugly! You
>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> find a
>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>> set of True-Type fonts and install them. Then you can have, for
>>>>>>>>> example,
>>>>>>>>> Times-Roman. And most of the odd-ball ones that you might use
>>>>>>>>> once in your life-time. I copied the entire fonts directory from
>>>>>>>>> PCLOS
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> replaced the one in Mint. But I think you can get True-Type from
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft, free. Not sure how you do that--Google's your friend.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --doug
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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