Hi :) I do think Andrew has valid points and it makes sense intuitively. I had just been having "a bad hair day" and feeling a bit disheartened. Really just having another spin on "The Matrix" quote about losing the entire 1st crop due to not stressing the system enough. Regards from Tom :)
>________________________________ > From: Andrew Brown <[email protected]> >To: Tom Davies <[email protected]> >Cc: Paul <[email protected]>; [email protected] >Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013, 8:08 >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web > > >Hi all > >As to Tom's reference about broken systems, I cannot wholly agree. In my >years of IT support to many clients and still current, I find resistance >to change is more about a way of learning to do something with software >apps, broken or not, and then having to relearn it, when approached with >another similar software app. In my recent post of two issues I have >with Calc and Writer, my case in point, MSO can do the items I mentioned >with no issues whatsoever, now that I have migrated users over to LO, >they try exactly the same thing in LO and it fails. We of the higher >computer levels forget that the majority of users are exactly that, >users who want a simple way of doing their work without complications added. > >So this creates resistance to change of new/different products, the >"other" competing products must be able to do the same for the base >standard i.e. what MS systems have set as a precedence, whether we like >it or not, for a good user experience, to get them to change over to a >better system. As the old analogy goes, equal to or better. > >Cheers > >Andrew Brown > >On 18/07/2013 07:44 PM, Tom Davies wrote: >> Hi :) >> I think all of us here are on roughly the same side. It's just a case of >> trying to work out what works when and what doesn't. I haven't had a huge >> amount of success in converting MS users to LO. >> >> People seem to prefer sticking with broken mangled systems that don't do >> what they want rather than risk change. The more broken the system the more >> they resist change. Hence IE6 users being scared to death of trying >> anything else >> Regards from >> Tom :) >> >> >> >> >> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Paul <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 12:30 >>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>>>> Or you could just install FireFox and be done with the problems .. >>> Well, as Tom says, I don't think it's usefull to just say "Get a new >>> browser". Also, if the certificate is actually wrong, then it should be >>> corrected, there really is no good reason it should be wrong, and >>> switching browsers to not have to see the error is not a real solution. >>> That said... >>> >>>>>> ...Or LO webmasters could just stop being idiots and not offer a >>>>>> certificate for *.documentfoundation.org for libreoffice.org? >>> That's maybe ever so slightly harsh. I just checked in Firefox, >>> and the certificate for https://www.libreoffice.org has a certificate >>> with a CN for www.libreoffice.org, so I'm not sure what the problem >>> is... unless of course they've already fixed it. >>> >>> Just sayin' >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:05:07 +0100 (BST) >>> Tom Davies <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi :) >>>> I kinda agree but even though IE has recently become a minority share >>>> of the web-browser market it is still used by quite a lot of people. >>>> Usually those people are clueless about the alternatives and/or seem >>>> to think they are using a superior product because they haven't >>>> really tried anything else. There's a LOT of them and we don't want >>>> to cut them out of our potential market. Telling them they have to >>>> change web-browser just to use LO just gives them an extra reason not >>>> to bother trying LO. It just makes yet another artificial barrier >>>> and increases the FUD. >>>> >>>> Something that does seem to surprise people and encourage them to >>>> install LO is that they can have both LO and MSO on their system. A >>>> dismaying number of people wont dare try LO because they think they >>>> have to get rid of their MSO. Similarly with web-browsers of course >>>> but that is not our fight. >>>> >>>> I'm credited with having written the 2nd paragraph below but it >>>> really wasn't me 1. Most of the web developers i know are ladies >>>> 2. If i had thought of it i would have written directly to the >>>> Websites List to ask them if they could do it. probably the only >>>> reason it might not have been done already is that they are a small >>>> team and are still working on it. However, i doubt that IE 9 needs a >>>> different certificate from IE 8 or that certificates made for IE 8 >>>> are incompatible with IE 9. It's always possible, of course, >>>> especially if it could make things difficult for LO without affecting >>>> too many other people. >>>> >>>> Most of the people on tis list probably are already using Firefox, >>>> Chrome, the Mac one, Opera or some other non-MS web-browser. We need >>>> to catch more people that haven't tried the others yet and maybe be >>>> their gateway into OpenSource. >>>> >>>> Regards from >>>> Tom :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: P NIKOLIC <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 7:29 >>>>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Errores de certificado en la web >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:05:57 +0700 >>>>> "Urmas" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Tom Davies": >>>>>> >>>>>> Note that IE is made by a 3rd party competitor that has good reason >>>>>> to want to see LibreOffice (and all other OpenSource products) >>>>>> fail. The more they can do to discredit LibreOffice the more >>>>>> likely they are to sell more of their own product and make more >>>>>> money. So, if IE doesn't behave we might not be able to do >>>>>> anything about it. >>>>>> >>>>>> ...Or LO webmasters could just stop being idiots and not offer a >>>>>> certificate for *.documentfoundation.org for libreoffice.org? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Or you could just install FireFox and be done with the problems .. >>>>> >>>>> Pete . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Linux 7-of-9 3.9.9-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Jul 3 22:45:16 CEST 2013 >>>>> x86_64 GNU/Linux >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] >>>>> Problems? >>>>> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>>>> Posting guidelines + more: >>>>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: >>>>> http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent >>>>> to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> -- >>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] >>> Problems? >>> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>> deleted >>> >>> >>> > > >-- >To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] >Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
