Hi Amit and Paul and . . .

I am just an ordinary user -- historian by training, academic researcher in 
medicine by profession.  I, and most with whom I work and come into contact, 
wish for, hope for, and strongly prefer stable releases in a work environment 
that requires interoperability with M$ products.  One difficulty:  it is not 
always -- in fact, it is rarely -- clear what is the latest "stable" release.  
I use both OO and LO, and that seems true of both.  My wish is that the 
developer-types and other enthusiasts think more carefully, tolerantly, and 
generously about the technologically unsophisticated ordinary user. 

Thank you.
ernie kurtz
ernestkurtz.com

On Jul 27, 2013, at 5:51 AM, Amit Choudhary wrote:

> Hi Tom,
> 
> I have been programming since 1987. I have all my degrees in computer
> science/networking. I have worked for companies like Cisco systems, Juniper
> networks and have turned down offers from companies like Google and
> Microsoft for one reason or other.
> 
> This whole software industry is going in the wrong direction. Actually, by
> now we should have been done by all the software (all the necessary
> software developed and installed and used, no bugs, etc.
> 
> We need to beat Microsoft because we do not want to pay for Office suite.
> 
> The best way of doing this is to release stable versions only and this can
> be done by increasing the QA cycle period.
> 
> I do not release buggy software unless it has been approved by management.
> And I have not released any software that's gonna hurt the customer even if
> I have to get into discussions with managers, directors, etc.
> 
> This whole idea of releasing software frequently is a scam, because work
> doesn't get done properly in a small time window. No one gets any time for
> innovation and everyone is just interested in the release. And in the end,
> the software dies down because the frequent release does not fix things
> properly and introduces new bugs and over time all these quickfixes kill
> the product.
> 
> THERE IS NO DEMAND FROM CUSTOMERS FOR FREQUENT RELEASES. THE DEMAND IS FROM
> PEOPLE WHO ARE SOFTWARE ANALYSTS AND THEY WANT SOMETHING TO DO AND HENCE
> THEY WANT FREQUENT RELEASES. IT IS A BIG SCAM.
> 
> I use around 5-6 external softwares and if everyone is releasing something
> every month then it becomes a headache to me.
> 
> RELEASING ONLY TWICE A YEAR IS VERY FOOD.
> 
> THE BIGGEST RISK OF RELEASING FREQUENTLY IS THAT ORIGINAL PROBLEMS ARE NOT
> SOLVED PROPERLY AND QUICKFIXES MAKE MANAGING THE SOFTWARE COMPLICATED AND
> IN THE END THE DEVELOPERS GIVE UP AND THE PRODUCT IS SHELVED.
> 
> AND ALL THIS HAPPENS WITH PAID SOFTWARE TOO.
> 
> Amit
> 
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Tom Davies <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Hi :)
>> I think with Base it's better to stay with older branches.  The 3.6.7
>> might be better.  if the 4.0.3 works for you then stick with that.
>> 
>> Sadly there are still not many devs working on Base.  It's not flashy
>> enough!
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 10:31
>>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, the "3rd digit rule" doesn't work as goog as expected...
>>>   I use report builder in base, 4.0.3.3 version. Download 4.0.4 and
>>> report builder no more works (crash in opening).
>>> 
>>>   thanks anyway for developers work, I remember this is a free sw, at
>> the
>>> end....
>>> 
>>>   Federico Quadri
>>> 
>>>   Tom Davies <[email protected]> ha scritto:
>>>> Hi :)
>>>>  That 3rd digit is roughly the equivalent of "Service pack".  So
>>>> usually the higher it is the more stable it is.  Of course even just
>>>> bug-patches and fixes can sometimes introduce unexpected problems
>>>> that might not get caught by QA.
>>>> 
>>>>  The best answer, imo, is to keep a very stable version that you
>>>> are happy enough with on all the machines you look after especially
>>>> ones that have limited access or that you can't reach easily.  Then
>>>> on 1 machine find some way of being able to test-drive an occasional
>>>> beta-test versions before it gets released.  Preferably do about 1
>>>> per branch.  The problem is that things you might care about deeply
>>>> might not even be getting used by other people at all.  So it's only
>>>> you that might notice.  So if you didn't test-drive then the problem
>>>> might never be found.  Also it's better to do your testing on a beta
>>>> release rather than a full release because it's during the early
>>>> beta stage that the most devs are the most focussed on the 1 single
>>>> version and trying to solve the most problems quickly.  Also it's
>>>> when the fewest other people are making bug-reports.
>>>> 
>>>>  There are various ways you could make sure you have access to 1
>>>> version for use for work that has a dead-line and another version
>>>> that you can just use to try things out and make sure it all works.
>>>> 
>>>>  Regards from
>>>>  Tom :)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>   From: Amit Choudhary <[email protected]>
>>>>>   To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>>>>   Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 3:35
>>>>>   Subject: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>   Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>>   I was using 4.0.2 and then I downloaded 4.0.3 but 4.0.3 is not
>>>>> as stable as
>>>>>   4.0.2. So, now I am downloading 4.0.4.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   I am more interested in stable and feature rich (optional)
>>>>> software rather
>>>>>   than frequently released software.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   Stablility is very important because a non-stable software /
>> software
>>>>>   having many bugs results in loss of time and frustartion.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   Amit
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
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