> Oh yes and that hits the nail on the head.  Now that the problem has 
> been defined, the solution becomes easy.  Provide a way to SEE exactly 
> how the formatting has been applied - and a quick link shortcut to 
> removing it!  Formatting/styles are - in my mind - similar to field 
> codes.  They're hidden formulas and such that could be turned on and off 
> for viewing at will. 
> 

That would be very useful.

Peter West

...he saw a poor widow put in two copper coins.

On 29 Nov 2013, at 7:00 am, A [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
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> 
> On 11/28/2013 10:44 AM, Brian Barker wrote:
> 
> > 
> > As far as I can see: 
> > 
> > o Format | Default Formatting removes both direct formatting (to 
> > characters or paragraphs) and formatting by character styles. 
> > o The Apply Style drop-down applies paragraph styles, so you'd expect 
> > "Clear formatting" there to reset the paragraph style to Default - and 
> > it does.  But it also does the same as Format | Default Formatting as 
> > well. 
> >
> For me at least, there's just too much to remember.  (You're in a maze 
> of twisty little passages.  You're in a twisty maze of little passages.   
> Now you're in a twisty little passage with a maze.)  It's enough to make 
> me lose my mind.  I can't keep track of all these various intracacies.   
> It sure would be nice to have some tool tips. 
> 
> Also, if "Apply Style" applies paragraph styles and only paragraph 
> styles, why not have it say "Apply Paragraph Style" so as to make it 
> obvious and avoid the obscurity. 
> 
> "Default Formatting" could either have a tool tip, or perhaps broken up 
> into separate functions that do one thing each. 
> i.e. 1) Remove formatting to characters. 
> 2) Remove formatting to paragraphs. 
> 3) Remove formatting by character styles. 
> 
> That would provide more control.  I don't know if there's an advantage 
> to it - other than knowing precisely what function is being performed. 
> 
> In addition, I do NOT expect "Clear formatting" to reset the paragraph 
> style to default.  I expect it to do 1,2,3 above.  i.e. Clear the 
> formatting just as it implies.  I would expect "Reset Paragraph Style to 
> Default" to reset the paragraph style to default.  There's far too much 
> guesswork and intimate knowledge required here.  It's all quite 
> NON-obvious.  Sure, if one works with it all the time one can learn 
> these things - but I shouldn't have to be an expert - it should be 
> intuitive and if it's not intuitive it should be spelled out in a tool tip. 
> 
> > I suspect that at least part of the problem here is that it is 
> > sometimes difficult to see - especially with an inherited document - 
> > exactly how formatting has been applied and consequently how it might 
> > be removed. 
> > 
> Oh yes and that hits the nail on the head.  Now that the problem has 
> been defined, the solution becomes easy.  Provide a way to SEE exactly 
> how the formatting has been applied - and a quick link shortcut to 
> removing it!  Formatting/styles are - in my mind - similar to field 
> codes.  They're hidden formulas and such that could be turned on and off 
> for viewing at will. 
> 
> Just my opinions of course. 
> 
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