Tom Davies <[email protected]> wrote:

> I think Base nearly does do the best way around.  The only problem is that
> the easiest thing, the embedded database, is currently dangerously broken.
>  The devs appear to be addressing that although, obviously, they can't fix
> the whole thing all at one go.  The first step seems reasonably well chosen
> to get the main bulk away from java.
> 
> I'm sure Java didn't used to be so awful.  It seems to have nose-dived
> since Oracle took over but maybe that is preparation for monetising it and
> that is a reasonable thing for a profit-making company to want to do.

My criticism was not at all directed specifically against Base as I
don't know the first thing about it. It was rather directed against the
idea that developers know better than users. They rarely, if ever, do,
IMHO.

Users have a zillion creative ways of (mis-)using a product, many of
them undreamt-of by its developers. So the more user choice and less
developer diktat a product exhibits, the better it is, in general.

I avoid Java as much as I possibly can (read: always) but my argument
has nothing whatsoever to do with Java.

Jon

> 
> On 5 August 2014 13:33, Jon Harringdon <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> 
> > Wolfgang Keller <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > So I come back to my suggestion earlier today - LO Base needs to give
> > > > the user the opportunity to specify what they want - RAM or file
> > > > based, single file or multiple files.
> > >
> > > That would only confuse most end users.
> >
> > Hear, hear.
> >
> > > The point is that the developers should make the most reasonable
> > > choice
> >
> > This mindset will not help LO broaden its user base. Users (even if most
> > are apparently deemed stupid by some) should be in the driving seat and
> > not some anonymous "developers".
> >
> > Pip Coburn writes this about the tech industry: "I believe that users
> > are always in charge and that supply is a necessary but not sufficient
> > condition for commercial success. Companies and products geared toward
> > this holistic user orientation will succeed at far greater rates than
> > those stuck in a supplier-oriented mind-set." As far as I'm concerned
> > that hits the nail squarely on the head.
> >
> > And as to confusing users with complex choices... a well-designed system
> > can be simple for simple needs and complex for complex needs.
> >
> > One-size-fits-all rarely fits anyone.
> >
> > IMHO etc.
> >
> > Jon
> >
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