One possibility comes to mind as to why "empty" cells are saved. If formatting has been applied to the empty cells then they must be saved even if no values are currently stored in those cells. As a trivial example consider the four cell range A1:B2 which contain no values but the four cells are formatted to display numbers as currency. How could that formatting be saved without saving those "empty" cells?
-- Jim -----Original Message----- From: Cley Faye <[email protected]> To: RamonTavarez <[email protected]> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 13:47 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [Calc, LibO 4.4] Bug on .ODS to .XLSX file conversion? That's interesting. Examining the beginning of one of the "big" sheets in both case, we see that LibreOffice is *very* verbose with what it save. If I understand it correctly, LO save informations about *every* cells, including empty ones. Which is very odd, since it does not do it with *every* sheets. This does not explain why MSO have to "repair" the files though. Maybe the devs would be interested in this test case. -- Cley Faye http://cleyfaye.net 2015-04-23 20:12 GMT+02:00 RamonTavarez <[email protected]>: > Check the post, I've uploaded the requested file. > > Thanks for your interest. > > Regards > > *Ramón E. Tavárez B.* > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Cley Faye [via Document Foundation Mail > Archive] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Discussion about open formats aside, I've looked at the file and it looks > > like when saving as xlsx each sheet grow huge (some goes to ~20MB before > > compression). > > > > Could you also post the xlsx file obtained when saving with MSO, for > > comparison? My guess is that either LO saves *a lot* of empty/dummy > cells, > > or that it saves in an older xlsx format that is less compact. > > > > btw this is only a "by curiosity" request, but it could help the dev > > pinpoint an issue if my first guess is correct. > > > > -- > > Cley Faye > > http://cleyfaye.net > > > > 2015-04-23 17:28 GMT+02:00 Tom Davies <[hidden email] > > <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4147063&i=0>>: > > > > > Hi :) > > > Yeh, i don't know a good way around that :( other than the way you > > already > > > use! :)) > > > > > > > > > People used to be quite happy with the idea of downloading Adobe > Acrobat > > to > > > read Pdfs with. It used to be that almost any website that shared any > > kind > > > of document tended to only have them as Pdfs and also then 'had to' > have > > a > > > button to help people download and install an Adobe Pdf Reader. We > > hardly > > > see any of that these days but that is quite a recent change. > > > > > > There were objections from people working in the council, or other > > > government offices or in big companies that they couldn't install > > anything > > > and thus couldn't use the format that everyone else seemed to be using > > so > > > much. Now they seem to use Pdf more than everyone else, and even > demand > > > that other people use it! > > > > > > Regards from > > > Tom :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23 April 2015 at 16:08, Ramon Tavarez <[hidden email] > > <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4147063&i=1>> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi: > > > > > > > > Thanks for your attention. > > > > > > > > The fact with this file is that can't be supported by .XLS format, > and > > my > > > > coworkers doesn't work with LibO, and that is the only way I can use > > to > > > > "keep in touch" with them and their jobs. It may be a pain .. ... ... > > , > > > > but while it work I'll keep using this method to share my jobs with > > them! > > > > > > > > In use LibO for every document I create, even I update every > > version > > > of > > > > LibO as the module for my Linux distro: Porteus. > > > > > > > > On the other hand,I can understand the situation with MSOffice and > how > > > > they refuse the OpenDocument formats, but I still worry about the > > big > > > > file size for those files not supported by the "classical" file > type. > > > > > > > > This can lead erroneously, as you said, to people to believe that > > > > everyone else made bad spreadsheet programs and everyone should stick > > > with > > > > MS. > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > *Ramón E. Tavárez B.* > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Tom Davies <[hidden email] > > <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4147063&i=2>> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hi :) > > > >> The XlsX, and other OOXML formats are notoriously unreliable. Each > > > >> different version of MS Office uses slightly different versions. > > There > > > are > > > >> at least 3 different "transitional" versions of the format and they > > are > > > not > > > >> always compatible with each other. > > > >> > > > >> If you take the XlsX that was saved by MS Office 2013 and try > opening > > it > > > >> in another version of MS Office, say 2010 or 2007, or even 365 then > > you > > > may > > > >> well find it's been opened in "Compatibility Mode" or even that it > > > doesn't > > > >> work at all in extreme cases. Chances are that some things will > have > > > moved > > > >> around or vanished, especially if you have anything in a frame (such > > as > > > >> images). > > > >> > > > >> It makes a bit of sense that a file created with newer software > might > > > not > > > >> fare too well on older versions of the same program but with XlsX > and > > > the > > > >> other OOXML formats it even seems to happen the other way around. > > Save > > > a > > > >> file in MS Office 2007 and you get the same problems trying to open > > that > > > >> file in more recent versions of MS Office. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> MS keep the specs for their formats secret. There is an ISO > > definition > > > >> of OOXML but that doesn't seem to work in any version of MS Office. > > MSO > > > >> 2013 was the first that allowed people to save in "strict" but the > > > >> resultant files don't seem to be able to be opened in any version of > > MS > > > >> Office. > > > >> > > > >> So pretty much all programs struggle with trying to read or write > > XlsX > > > or > > > >> other OOXML files in any reliable way. Which version of MS Office > > > should > > > >> they aim for? > > > >> > > > >> Actually we had a few times where the LibreOffice user in an office > > has > > > >> been the only person able to open files from colleagues using > > different > > > >> versions of MS Office and has then become a kinda stepping stone for > > > >> sharing files between those colleagues. Similarly with OpenOffice. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Best advice seems to be to use either; > > > >> 1. the older MS Office format, Xls (without the X on the end), for > > MS > > > >> Office Xp/2000 and prior or > > > >> 2. stick with Ods. > > > >> > > > >> Microsoft, in their 2010 version, refused to use the ODF 1.2 format > > that > > > >> everyone else was using at the time and stuck with a mangled version > > of > > > the > > > >> older 1.0 (even ignoring the 1.1) and somehow that led to Ods > > appearing > > > to > > > >> open just fine but all the formulas got replaced by fixed values. > > Their > > > >> apparent failure somehow led to people saying that everyone else > made > > > bad > > > >> spreadsheet programs and everyone should stick with MS. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> So it is well worth avoiding XlsX and it is probably best to use > > their > > > >> older Xls format instead - at least if you want to open the > > spreadsheet > > > on > > > >> any machine other than the one with MS Office 2013 on. > > > >> > > > >> Regards from > > > >> Tom :) > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On 23 April 2015 at 15:03, RamonTavarez <[hidden email] > > <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4147063&i=3>> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Hi: > > > >>> > > > >>> I've experienced the following issue: > > > >>> > > > >>> The file attached is an .ODS file (1,976 KB). 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