Yes, but there is in the open source community a lack of the kind of open source that brought to the world such things as Linux and Libre office.. its called need..
need has a market.. if i were running the open source.. i would give some real thought to getting potential users to vote for a product or a product change.. in advance.. the build it they will come does not work well.. instead should me it is needed there we will build it.. For example a few years back if anyone had said I will develop an alternative spreadsheet to compete with the vendors our here, as soon as 100,000 send in $20 each.. That money would have been 100,000 sales.. and each person would be tell developers what it is that got their $20 bucks. Right now if someone were do that with CAD, Libre Cad lacks so much, it is hard to call it competitive, I mean it cannot really compete with the commercial cad ware out there I would bet 500,000 people would any up $20 around the globe. Make a product on a dedicated os, so that the os is never a problem its invisible to the cad and it will reduce commercial cad to about the level of commercial word processors. the market must pay, but there is no need for a vendor to discover a market need, then get a patent, lobby the government and then get to government to make it a monopoly so the vendor can force the market to pay Linux was a project in which everyone that could participated.. because the need for such a product was extremely in need. -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 9/4/16, toki <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Goodbye to Open Office (maybe?) To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, September 4, 2016, 8:49 AM On 03/09/2016 11:50, CVAlkan wrote: > Is this a case of "Where there's smoke ..." Pretty much since AOo entered the Apache fold, it has had problems. Some were major, such as no release manager for months. Some were minor, such as an inability to produce documentation. As far as actual retirement goes, and being kicked into the Attic goes. That won't happen this year. However, the following quotes from https://db.apache.org/newproject.html apply to all Apache Projects, especially podlings: * «Orphaned products. Products which have lost their corporate sponsor (for whatever reason) do not make good candidates. These products will lack a development community and won't have the support needed to succeed under the DB umbrella»; * «Reliance on salaried developers. DB has strong ties to the business community. Many of our developers are encouraged by their employers to work open source projects as part of their regular job. We feel that this is a Good Thing, and corporations should be entitled to contribute to open source, same as anyone else. However, we are wary of products which rely strongly on developers who only work on open source products when they are paid to do so. A product at DB must continue to exist beyond the participation of individual volunteers. We believe the best indicator of success is when developers volunteer their own time to work open source projects.» When AOo went into incubation at AFS, it was an orphaned project, with an over-reliance of paid developers from IBM. When IBM pulled the plug on AOo development, AOo development came to standstill. As such, the long term prognosis of AOo is not good. Gilles wrote: >Apache has taken an unreasonable amount of time to clean up all the code - in particular licenses The initial code clean up was specifically to verify the providence of each line of code: * That the line of code was correctly licensed; * That The Apache Software Foundation had the legal right to use the code; * That The Apache Software Foundation had the moral right to use the code; This type of code verification always takes a long time --- as in one hour per line of code. The net result is that if there are any legal challenges to the code, ASF can say: "Here is the code in question, and here is our legal right to use the code". Two things that the code clean up did not do were: * Identify algorithms that might infringe upon existing patents. Under current US Patent Law, this is extremely counter-productive; * Identify algorithms that infringe upon copyright, as defined in Oracle v. Google, (United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit, 2013-1021, 1022, Decided: May 9, 2014. SCOTUS 14-410 2015-06-29 Petition Denied.){In fairness to ASF, this definition of copyright was unexpected. IMNSHO, it was an incredibly bad decision on the part of the court --- on a par with the Appellate Court ruling that if you buy a DVD in Colorado, you buy the copyright for the DVD. >It would be a good thing FOR EVERYBODY if Apache decided to officially call it quits on OOo, Right now, there are a dozen things that AOo can do, that LibO can't do. These are features and functions that LibO, for various reasons, has deliberately chosen to not provide. Over time, the number of unique functions for each program (AOo, EO, LibO, NO) to increase. >I'll let you imagine the number of unpatched vulnerabilities inside).. The next release of AOo will fix a known security exploit. I don't know if that is the one that is in the wild, or not. ### ODF_Tools has tried to go the Attic on two separate occasions, but hasn't gotten there yet. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
