On 20/02/17 21:11, Dave wrote:
> On 20.02.2017 20:32, Philip Jackson wrote:
>> On 20/02/17 16:30, Bruce Hohl wrote:
>>> To the right of 'Properties' there is a drop down icon which if you
>>> mouse-over has the tag 'Side bar setting'.  Click that icon to select
>>> 'Styles and Formatting'.  (If someone knows another way please chime-in.)
>> I'm with Ian on this one. Those changes you suggest work for the current
>> spreadsheet but as soon as you do :
>> File > New > Spreadsheet, the new sheet opens with Liberation Sans 10
>> selected and in place.
>>
>> If you open the Default style by right-click > modify > Font tab, you
>> can set the font to anything else you like but one thing that makes me
>> think the default is set at a deeper level is that on the style modify
>> dialog, there is a fourth button (at RHS) labeled 'Standard'.  Clicking
>> this sets Liberation Sans 10 again.
>>
>> According to the help info, the Standard button "Resets the values
>> visible in the dialog back to the default installation values"
>>
>> If I prepare a new blank spreadsheet with my preferred font and save it
>> as a new template, whenever I open a new spreadsheet by File > New >
>> Templates > Spreadsheets tab > select my new template > click Open, I
>> get a new blank spreadsheet with my fonts I selected. So this is
>> available as a workaround but it involves a lot of clicks just to get
>> what is needed. More clicks than it takes to change the font in the
>> default spreadsheet.
>>
>> Moreover, within the new spreadsheet from the new template, if I open
>> the style modification dialog and click the 'Standard' button, then I'm
>> again in the Liberation Sans 10 font.
>>
>> So where to go to change the 'Standard' setting remains a useful
>> question.  Could the answer be in the Tools > Options > LibreOffice >
>> Advanced and then look at org.openoffice.VCL > DefaultFonts  where I see
>> that the Liberation family gets lots of mentions ?
>>
>> Perhaps someone more used to modifying these Advanced settings could
>> comment ?
>>
>> Philip
> 
> I would advise advise anyone against poking around in the "/Advanced/"
> options. It's somewhat like messing with the Windows Registry, or
> Mozilla's about:config, one wrong move and everything can go "/pear
> shaped/".
>
Yes, I tend to agree. That's why I suggested that maybe someone on the
list has experience here that could help us.

> Not sure what the "/Standard/" button is, but if you mean the
> "/Default/" style, you will obviously be "/again in the Liberation Sans
> 10 font/", because you did not change it to something else before saving
> your custom default template.
> 
I cannot see that you are right here. My new template was prepared
especially with Arial font [just for trials not because I like Arial]
and wherever I look in the template under cell style in this template
the 'Default' style has Arial font specified. So I can always open a new
spreadsheet equipped with Arial by selecting File > New > Templates >
spreadsheet tab > My Templates > select the template > click Open.

That is a lot of clicks and so in practice, it is easier just to do File
> New > Spreadsheet and then change the font from Liberation to Arial.

Now if I am inside a new spreadsheet created with my Arial template, all
checks on Default cell style do show Arial but that does not mean that
if I just click File > New > Spreadsheet that I will get another new
spreadsheet with Arial font.
The new one in this case has Liberation font set and that, I think, is
what the OP would like to avoid.

> It's not a "/work-around/". The software has to start with some kind of
> default settings. If the user has not customized those settings by
> providing their own default preferences in the form of a template, the
> software has no option but to use it's inbuilt defaults.

I agree that the software has to start from some kind of default
settings. But creating a new template with the user's default
preferences only works if the user is prepared to go through the lengthy
number of clicks I outlined above.

If his only changes are the font settings, it is quicker just to open a
new sheet File > New > Spreadsheet and then change the font from
Liberation to whatever.

I still think the answer the OP is seeking lies within the Advanced
settings, but I am wary of the dragons within.

Philip






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