Think I got thread mix up with another. Have office user save to ODF. Office can do that since Office 2007. Binary office files are more susceptible to corruption and that format is obsolete.
Can help with Linux install issues. Ubuntu does the even boot on my laptop (AMD), but maybe that's a UEFI/Secure Boot problem I couldn't care less to troubleshoot. I've installed Windows XP drivers in Windows 10 for peripherals and they work. Windows doesn't break drivers at anything close to the same rate as Linux. Connect printer to Windows without driver installed. Most times it will pull a working driver off Windows update. The generic drivers work for most printers, although specialized functionality may not be available. But that's often the case with Linux drivers, anyways (like with almost every desktop graphics card, in fact). Not seeing the problem. On Jul 17, 2017 3:20 PM, "Tim-L--Elmira-NY" <[email protected]> wrote: I am having trouble with my Feb 2010 AMD quad core desktop. It started out as Ubuntu 9.10. I now have it set up for 14.04LTS. The big issue with going beyond that - i.e. 16.04 - is the fact that the upgrade craps out during the install process. I have to have 13.10 or earlier to get my Canon MG6220 drivers to work. Then I get to update/upgrade it to 14.04LTS. Then I must stop or crash the install and have problems with GRUB thinking that it had a good install for 16.04 when it does not work at all. At least now I have very little on the 250 GB OS's drive that gets lost. I stopped using it for emails after that. It is just a files server now - sort of. As for MS Office - well I had one lady make her Word documents as .doc files. Between me and all the people the documents go to uses every version from 2007 to the version out two years ago. Then there is me who has not used MS Office since 2003, used OpenOffice.org and then LibreOffice since then, prefer the .doc format over the .docx format. That is what you get with the current marketing practice, make it so that you cannot get proper working drivers in Windows after a few years, so you have to keep buying new printers, etc., every few years even if the printer is still running great. It is really a problem with Windows 10 to get my Canon printers [old and new] working with all of their options. Win10 wants "their" drivers instead of what the printer installs. It is even worse to get an all-in-one printer's scanning functions [all of them] to show up in the scanning "app", if the printer's scanning ability is actually registered in the Device's window. On 07/17/2017 12:48 PM, Concerned Citizen wrote: > That's just true. Only time documents don't render elements is when you > use features only in the new version. Microsoft back ports format support. > It's not an issue. Office 2007/10 documents opened with no issues in Office > XP/2003, save for the above named issue. > > Using new version quickly after release on older hardware is always an > issue due to drivers. The OS is new and often developers and OEMs don't > have the updates out. This exists for all OSes. My Razer peripherals didn't > function for weeks after the macks Sierra update because Razer didn't have > their driver updates ready. > > Vista had many driver level changes, and people moving from 98/Me to > 2000/XP had even greater issues with both software and hardware. > > That's all pretty much expected. > > I used RH Enterprise Linux WS back then. My device drivers (especially > graphics) broke on version upgrades while I waited for ATI to get a new > package out, and this still happens with system upgrades that change things > like the Kernel or X.Org. > > On Jul 17, 2017 10:17 AM, "Tim-L--Elmira-NY" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > I agree with "anne-ology" about using old operating systems. I > have had trouble with Windows Vista and Windows 7, when they were > new. Even with fully updated Windows 10 gives me trouble. That > is one reason I use Ubuntu Linux with MATE desktop environment. > Even people who use Linux can tell you that there are some issues > using Linux, just like Windows does. > > As for issues between MS Office and LibreOffice, remember there > are problems with both. The fact that MS Office's .docx format is > different between the various MS Office version with the newest > version of .docx formatted documents can not be opened/viewed > properly with the earlier versions of Office with .docx > > Remember, like MS Office, LibreOffice is not perfect. Our > developers are volunteers. They do the best they can to fix any > issues that are reported in the Bug Reporting system. The good > thing is that LibreOffice is less "complex" than MS Office's Word. > Of course, LibreOffice's Writer was not designed to do such > complex that only 0.001%[+/-] or less of their market users will > use. There were special "classes" on these very complex > options/functions. One year there was an announcement that the > new version have over 1000 new functions over the previous > version. LibreOffice was not designed to be "one package to due > it all". > > > On 07/16/2017 09:58 AM, anne-ology wrote: > > Using a MsFt product that's 21 years old is bound to > cause problems. > > > > > From: Concerned Citizen <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > Date: Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 4:02 AM > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5 > To: anne-ology <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > Windows NT 4. Released in 1996, IIRC. > > And no. You send feedback to them through the appropriate > channels. > Microsoft has way too many users for them to be able to manage > emails from > everyone themselves. No business that large does that. > > > > On Jul 15, 2017 6:59 PM, "anne-ology" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Curiously wondering if you're saying one can go to > MsFt's heads with > > problems & these will be fixed pronto; > if so, I'd like to hear an example of when you > so did. > > And just what is NT4??? > > > > From: Concerned Citizen <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > Date: Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:36 PM > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5 > To: Tom Davies <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > Cc: [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > I find it quite disturbing that someone stating an issue > and, perhaps, > asking for help leads to a thread of Windows-bashing... > This is > particularly interesting, since I don't remember > LibreOffice being a > competitor to Windows - although it seems to have about as > many scripting > languages as Windows has [Microsoft] development languages... > > In any case, I have run into several issues with the suite > on both Windows > (macOS, but let's focus on the former), from Hardware > Acceleration and > OpenCL simply not functioning (at all - which is awful on > a Notebook on > Battery). To tons of issues with Styles. To epic > performance issues on my > Notebook stemming from those awful Liberation Fonts > (disappears when I > change font to Times or Arial, etc.). Bad font rendering > in the > applications (thin, patchy looking fonts... like something > on a low res > PenTile display). And the fact that the apps perform > worse than both > Microsoft and Corel WordPerfect Office (both of which I > own, so I can do > 1:1 comparison on Windows). > > I won't even talk about Linux, because that is clearly > off-topic, and I'm > not sure how you people have extended this to Microsoft > and Microsoft > Windows. Is there nothing better to do with your time, > and do you actually > wish this to be a place where people can have civil > discussion and give > feedback without fear of the "Tear Down the Competition" > reflex you're > exhibiting, here? > > For fixing Permissions in Windows, you can go to the top > level and simply > propagate the permission changes down. It's not > difficult. It's worked > that way for about 2 decades (since at least NT4). > > > > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Tom Davies > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Hi :) > One problem, once and experienced by just one person > rarely compares with > the problems that abound on Windows. > Regards from > Tom :) > > On 10 Jul 2017 15:29, "Tom Williams" > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote: > > Hi :) > There was a Win 10 update that messed up the > permissions in one of the > places i volunteer at. > > I have no idea how to fix it. I think we went > through each individual > folder to reset the permissions but that sounds > like a very > inefficient and highly error-prone way of trying > to fix it generally. > Still, 'everyone' loves Windows. > > Regards from > Tom :) > > Wow. Craziness. :) > > Peace... > > "The Other" Tom > > > > > > On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: > > On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote: > > I am having trouble with this suite. > Normally I have been able > to open, amend, and save a document without > any problem. > However, in the last week or so I can only > open a document in > read-only form. To change the contents I > have to open a copy for > editing, save that under a different name, > delete the original, > and then rename the new document to fit in > with my filing system. > This is time consuming, and very inconvenient. > > The only event that I can identify as a > possible cause is that > about the same time there was an automatic > update to Windows 10, > and there might be some incompatablity > between the updated Windows > and LibreOffice. (I have since installed > the latest update to > LibreOffice5, but to no avail; the problem > is still there). > However that is only a wild guess! I > would be grateful for > your advice and a remedy > > regards > > M. Hely > > > I have two basic questions: > > 1. Have you confirmed the original file > wasn't already "read-only" > before attempting to open it? > 2. Are you opening files from the file > system or directly from an > email > attachment? > > > These are things you have probably already > thought of but I want > to ask > anyway. :) I've run LibreOffice 5 on a > couple of Windows 10 > > systems > > and have been able to open, edit, and save > documents without issue. > > Peace... > > "The Other" Tom > > > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] > office.org > <mailto:users%[email protected]> > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > <http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > > > Posting guidelines + more: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > <http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette> > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > <http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/> > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and > cannot be deleted > > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-uns ubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
