Okay, I did the same mistake again and sent my reply to the OP rather than to the list. Once again sorry for that. Now I intend to reply again, see below.
Den mån 15 aug. 2022 kl 00:01 skrev MR ZenWiz <mrzen...@gmail.com>: > On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 6:14 AM Johnny Rosenberg <gurus.knu...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Den sön 14 aug. 2022 kl 03:47 skrev MR ZenWiz <mrzen...@gmail.com>: > >> > >> I've noticed recently that the way the Find (Edit->Find or ^F) feature > >> works in LO 7.2.7 is different - it treats the Find panel as a > >> separate window > > Exactly what do you mean by that? > > The main problem I noticed is that, when I find a target and click > over to modify it, I can't dismiss the Find panel without clickinginto > it again or clicking the red circle x on the left end. Ctrl+f Esc works for me (first Ctrl+f to get back inside the Find toolbox, then Esc to close it). I guess it takes a while to get used to, but at least you don't have to touch the mouse. > <esc> only > works if it is the first thing I type after the find ( aor series of > finds using <cr> to go from one to the next). > It seems like Esc only works if the search field is selected, so that might be a bug (or maybe there is another way to close the Find toolbox). A workaround for that seems to be to hit Esc Ctrl+f Esc, so maybe a bit annoying. It seems like I'm also able to backtab (Shift+⇥) to the search field and then hit Esc to close it. > > > >> without actually giving you a separate window, and > >> won't let you do something else, like exit the search, without > >> dismissing the panel. > > The Esc key works for me in LibreOffice 7.2.7.2. Then Ctrl+f again to go > back to the search field. The panel is present all the time, if you with > ”panel” are referring to the tool bar that becomes visible when hitting > Ctrl+f in the first place. > > IIRC, <esc> does dismiss the panel at the bottom of the LO window, and > yes, ^F works to reissue the find. > > >> It does allow an escape to dismiss the panel IFF the focus is still in > >> the panel and I'm not trying to do something outside the panel or have > >> already typed <alt><tab>. > > Yes? And what does it not allow? > See above. > > >> Am I alone in detesting this new "feature?" Am I wrong in seeing this > as new? > > I like the old Find better, but I can't really see your the problem with > this one. Exactly what is it that you want to do that you can't do with the > current one? Sorry if I'm slow… > Again, see above. I like the old behavior much better - more > intuitively obvious, to say the least. > > >> It makes getting out of the search more difficult than it used to be, > > I can't remember that it was easier then hitting the Esc key in the > older versions. > > Not so much easier as more obvious. Th epanel at the bottom of the > window is lss obtrusive and, thus, less obvious. > I guess there are pros and cons there and in the end a matter of taste. Generally I personally prefer speed over ”user friendliness”, because you are only a beginner for a short amount of time. The rest of the time you want to do things quickly. However, in this case I guess the old Find was just as quick as the new one. >> without the (previous) actual sub-window that makes it clear (and easy > >> to dismiss) that I am not in the same place as outside the search. > > I agree that the old find was better, but maybe a little redundant since > it was almost identical to Find & Replace (Ctrl+h). > > The main thing I don't like with the current Find is that there are too > few options. For instance I can't make it search whole words. If I need to > do that, I have to use Find & Replace instead. > > > Agreed 100% - way too few options. > > >> I use Word now for my book writing (because LO is still not even close > to 100% compatible). > > Compatible with what? Some file format or what? > > The horrid but almost universally used .docx format. Even using Word > for editing my documents, the LO versions look and behave slightly > differently, Improving for every new version though, as far as I know (I'm not using that format myself, except at work). > and converting them from .odt to .docx was a gruelling > effort - I wrote a book in LO that is 355 pages long, and converting > it to Word .docx format took me over a day to get right,and they don't > match. If I edit it with LO again, Word doesn't read it right. Yes, as far as I know the OOXML ISO format is not easy to implement for third party developers, and I guess the Microsoft people are very happy with that. > I > wouldn't care, except that .odt is not universally recognized or > accepted by publishers, even Amazon, whereas .docx is. > That's the crazy thing, I think. I don't know anything about publishing, but are publishers supposed to edit the files? If not, they should only accept PDF, shouldn't they? But as I said, I guess I have no clue. > > >> However, for almost all my spreadsheets and other writing, I prefer LO > because I'm used to it. > > Me too, but mainly because I like it much better than every other > spreadsheet application I've ever used. > > :-D > > >> This "feature" drives me up the wall. It makes using "Find and > >> Replace" (^H) a more attractive option. > > So use that instead, right? It's like a somewhat bloated version of the > old Find. > > I'm planning to. Just need to remember ^H, not ^F (or maybe I'll > reconfigure the key combo...). > > You can actually assign both Ctrl+f and Ctrl+h to the same command if you want to. > >> Is it worth a bug or should I find a way to adapt? > > If it's really important to you I guess it's worth a try, but I wouldn't > expect much of success in this case. They probably had good reasons to > change it in the first place, otherwise they wouldn't bother, and I'd guess > they are not too happy to change it back to the old one, but I'm just > guessing now… > > That's pretty much what I thought. > > Thanks! > > Mark > Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
