Hi Harald,
i apologize for taking days to reply. After a week of work emergencies, I have
finally had a chance to digest your link and think through the issues.
On 2022-10-02 12:35, [email protected] wrote:
Am 02.10.2022 um 14:30 schrieb John Kaufmann:
On 2022-10-02 02:50, [email protected] wrote:
Am 02.10.2022 um 07:06 schrieb John Kaufmann:
...
Discussing Character styles, the Help says of the particular style "No Character
Style" that:
"No Character Style is actually the set of character properties of the current
paragraph style. Choose No Character Style to reset the character properties of the
selection to those of the paragraph style."
That sounds fine -- a needed function (though it is new in LO 7, isn't it?).
Yes and No, this Character Style is called "Default" in older LibreOffice
versions.
Thank you. After thinking about your point, I realize that the "Default" character style was
renamed "No Character Style" for the benefit of dummies (like me) who did not see the point
earlier, that "Default" means revert to the character attributes of the underlying paragraph style.
(No release notes are needed for that.)
That said, this exposes my second problem:
But then how does that differ from the particular style "Default Paragraph Style" (about
which the Help is silent)? Is not the Default Paragraph Style already set by the current Paragraph
style? What does it mean to designate a Character style as "Default Paragraph Style"?
The "Default Paragraph Style" is sort of the mother of all paragraph styles, IMHO it
should not be used, but "Text Body" instead.
I'm sorry, but isn't "Text Body" a Paragraph style, not a Character style? My question is about the different purposes
of the /Character/ styles "Default Paragraph Style" [about which, as I asked, What does it mean to designate a
/Character/ style as "Default Paragraph Style"?], "No Character Style" and "- None -".
I must have misunderstood that then.
If you misunderstood, it was only because my question was confused. What I did not know then about the "Default
Paragraph Style" *character* style is that it was *NOT* part of the LO package, but was a *custom* character
style, produced in our office to try to produce what LO's "Default"/"No Character Style" already
provided (and was given the name "Default Paragraph Style" (which happens to be the same name as the base
*paragraph* style) to emphasize its purpose: to revert any character attributes to the default attributes defined by
the relevant paragraph style).
I apologize for the noise in that regard; before posting, I should have noticed
that it was a *custom* character style. (When I realized that -- and that it
was unnecessary and confusing -- I removed it from the system.)
Finally: though "- None -" is not among the pre-defined Character styles, it is among the parent choices when
defining a new Character style. How does the behavior of a Character style change when "Inherit from" is set
to ... "No Character Style" vs "- None -"? [I have not detected a difference.]
...
Let's look at it from the text. Let's say you have written 10 paragraphs and
each paragraph has a different paragraph style.
Now you want to bold one word in each paragraph. You select the words and assign the
character style "Strong Emphasis" to each.
Now you have added one word too many with the character style sheet "Strong
Emphasis".
You now select the word and assign the "No Character Style" character style
sheet. The word now has its old format meaning again.
Here is some more, I hope, helpful information:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Professional_work_in_Writer
...
That was very good [though I could offer a couple minor suggestions*], but I'm
sorry to have given the impression that I was unaware of either (a) the basic
value of styles or (b) the relationship of Writer's character to paragraph
styles.
The most important thing I learned from your link was about the Style
Inspector, a great addition to the LO toolset. I'm embarrassed that I did not
remark on it when I moved to LO 7, and somehow managed to work with the other
Sidebar tools (mostly Navigator and Styles) without noticing it.
[* I mentioned that I could offer two minor suggestions on your link. In doing
so, I recognize that these are problems inherent in any system produced in
multiple languages: How to name something in translation? However, since the
page was translated from German (Professionelle Arbeit in Writer) to English
(Professional work in Writer), I assume that the translation wants to use the
corresponding English naming used in the LO system. To that end,
(1) "Delete Direct Formatting" => "Clear Direct Formatting"
(2) Where you say 'All other paragraph styles are derived from the
"Standard" paragraph style', do you mean:
'All other paragraph styles are derived from the "Default Paragraph
Style"'?]
Thanks to you and Michael, I understand the purpose of "No Character Style",
except for the remaining issue of inheritance. Let me summarize that problem in this way:
o Page, List and Table styles are not heritable, and thus by definition
have no parent style.
o Paragraph, Character and Frame styles are all heritable.
o ANY style type which is heritable can declare no parent ("-None-").
But a Character style also can declare inheritance from "No Character Style", as well as
from "-None-"; I cannot detect a difference in operation. Since a Character style is
used to modify the character attributes of a Paragraph style, do you know a good way to think about
this difference?
Thanks again for your thoughts,
John
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