On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Chi Chan <[email protected]> wrote: > Good point, Walid. As much as so many people hate UNIVA
Count me out from the list of people who hate Univa... Let me clarify: 1) I don't hate closed source or open core software - I wrote code for closed source, open core, and even in-house software before. Open source is not black magic, open source projects do not automatically get features added from nowhere in no time. I think I have said more than once before that I spend time on answering mailing list questions and enhancing Grid Engine not because I hate LSF & Platform Computing. I think LSF is a very robust product and I want more people to use technlogies like it. And as LSF is not freely available, the best one in the open source world was Sun Grid Engine and thus I started to work with Ron and others 8 or 9 years ago on Sun Grid Engine so that anyone could use this technology freely. 2) I did not (and still don't) want to contribute to open core software - To be fair to Univa, in the Grid Engine Steering Committee Univa only asked us twice to merge with and contrinute to their fork, and it was Dave Love who was yelling the most and was blaming us for not merging with Univa. Note that the Open Grid Scheduler is the first Open Source Grid Engine project outside of the control of Sun & Oracle, and I am not sure why someone forked Grid Engine again even there was a working one (and even recognized by Oracle), then asked us to merge with a third fork, and yet these days copy our changes into his fork... We (Open Grid Scheduler) wanted to take the wait and see approach - we wanted to see more open sourcing of their products and did not want to buy into the hype. But Univa have their rights not to open source their products, and we have the rights not to contribute our code to Univa - there is no hate involved. 3) There may be some heated discussions sometimes, esp. if the market team is saying something not true or not entirely true - like what we saw from the Google Ads placed a while ago. I hate it when someone is taking credit of our work, but as long as that's corrected we have no issues with Univa. And, it is perfectly fine that Univa continues to improve Univa Grid Engine. 4) Last year Dave started the "Univa FUD" thread on the day we released Open Grid Scheduler/Grid Engine 2011.11 - note that Dave and the Open Grid Scheduler Project did not talk offline, and it was not us who asked to have that discussion thread started. We joined that discussion as Dave said that it is a good case of "Libel Action" - we were sorry for Dave and thus we offered Dave the Open Grid Scheduler 2011.11 features and we planned to work together (turns out that it did not work out - but don't blame the Open Grid Scheduler Project - those who were CCed in the LD_* security discussions would know which person is always in attack mode). So far, I don't think there are any legal actions started by Dave. To be fair to both sides, I think we should just let that discussion die off - it's all his said vs she said... Rayson _______________________________________________ users mailing list [email protected] https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users
