Hi Matthias,

Just an update. We've gone ahead with the "Fragment Host" change in
4.0.26 (GROOVY-11570). This seems to solve problems for some folks.

As you point out, it looks like we have more work to do. We currently
have GROOVY-11571 still open, though perhaps a fresh issue would be
cleaner. In any case, we'll do some more work and any help you can
provide with testing would be greatly appreciated.

We can certainly expedite a 4.0.27 release once we have something we
are happy with.

Cheers, Paul.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 8:30 AM Matthias Leinweber
<m.leinwe...@datatactics.de> wrote:
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> It appears that if a Fragment has an osgi.serviceloader Capability, the 
> intention is that the host bundle must have a class that can be service 
> loaded. The commit at 
> https://github.com/apache/aries/commit/76f39f2#diff-aed8297fc5209027131b1f54544e00eb7614070832051a29561931ed6b933ab7
>  seems relevant. Furthermore, examples of fragments in the Aries repository 
> appear to confirm this theory. This would imply that, without shading Groovy 
> into a fat JAR, it won't be possible to get this working. Fat Jar is working, 
> just tested. Or, another option, moving all services to a separate bundle. 
> However, I suspect this also won't be feasible for every service. ...Any 
> suggestions?
>
> br.
> Matthias
>
> On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 at 22:52, Matthias Leinweber <m.leinwe...@datatactics.de> 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Paul,
>>
>> I've conducted further tests.  While the FastStringFactor sometimes works 
>> after multiple application restarts, it's mostly failing.  I suspect a 
>> problem with the mediator components.  The service loader specification 
>> (https://docs.osgi.org/specification/osgi.cmpn/8.0.0/service.loader.html), 
>> implemented by Aries spifly, should, as I understand it, create an OSGi 
>> service.  However, this service doesn't seem to be getting created.  
>> Interestingly, this same missing service issue also occurs with Groovy 3.0.x 
>> bundles. I'm quite confused by this.
>>
>> But these services are created for version 4.0.25 (without a fragment). I 
>> assume that SPI Fly only works for started and not for resolved bundles. 
>> However, this doesn't explain why 3.0.25 is working, nor why it sometimes 
>> works after multiple restarts.
>>
>> I will investigate further tomorrow.
>>
>> On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 at 21:24, Matthias Leinweber 
>> <m.leinwe...@datatactics.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Paul,
>>>
>>> I've encountered some issues with the FastStringService. I'm getting an 
>>> "Unable to load FastStringService" error and I'm trying to determine the 
>>> cause. I vaguely recall having trouble with this class in the past, but I 
>>> can't remember the specifics.
>>>
>>> Given these problems, I don't think this is releasable yet.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Matthias
>>>
>>> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 at 20:19, Matthias Leinweber 
>>> <m.leinwe...@datatactics.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Did some basic tests. Extensions seem to work and FastString Service too.
>>>>
>>>> br;
>>>> Matthias
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 at 23:15, Paul King <pa...@asert.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There should be 4.0.26-SNAPSHOT and 5.0.0-SNAPSHOT versions in the
>>>>> snapshot repo:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/snapshots/org/apache/groovy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 21, 2025 at 10:30 PM Matthias Leinweber
>>>>> <m.leinwe...@datatactics.de> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hi Paul,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > could you assist with the maven repo containing the snapshots or do i 
>>>>> > have to build myself?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > br:
>>>>> > Mathtias
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 at 11:40, Paul King <pa...@asert.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I have pushed a fix. Once CI has finished building snapshots, if you
>>>>> >> can check against those, that would be great.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Cheers, Paul.
>>>>> >> P.S. Feel free to comment further in that issue instead of here if you 
>>>>> >> want.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 8:32 PM Paul King <pa...@asert.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > I created this issue to track changing this for Groovy 4/5:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GROOVY-11570
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 11:14 PM Paul King <pa...@asert.com.au> 
>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > > I think we should add the FragmentHost stuff back in and get a 
>>>>> >> > > release
>>>>> >> > > out in the next few weeks.
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > > On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 2:05 AM Matthias Leinweber
>>>>> >> > > <m.leinwe...@datatactics.de> wrote:
>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>> >> > > > I am not sure if someone ever tested this... Documentation says 
>>>>> >> > > > to get groovy extensions working is that the extension must be 
>>>>> >> > > > in the same class path (class loader).
>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>> >> > > > Maybe I am wrong but so fragment host (terrible name imho) is 
>>>>> >> > > > the only solution. Or shading a new jar could do the same trick.
>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>> >> > > > What do you think?
>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>> >> > > > Br
>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>> >> > > > Paul King <pa...@asert.com.au> schrieb am Mo., 10. Feb. 2025, 
>>>>> >> > > > 14:25:
>>>>> >> > > >>
>>>>> >> > > >> In the following issue we were not certain of the need for
>>>>> >> > > >> Fragment-Host in Groovy 4:
>>>>> >> > > >>
>>>>> >> > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GROOVY-9402
>>>>> >> > > >>
>>>>> >> > > >> It could well be that it is needed.
>>>>> >> > > >>
>>>>> >> > > >> Cheers, Paul.
>>>>> >> > > >>
>>>>> >> > > >> On Mon, Feb 10, 2025 at 10:00 PM Matthias Leinweber
>>>>> >> > > >> <m.leinwe...@datatactics.de> wrote:
>>>>> >> > > >> >
>>>>> >> > > >> > Hi together,
>>>>> >> > > >> >
>>>>> >> > > >> > I am using groovy alot in an osgi container with camel 
>>>>> >> > > >> > (currently karaf.4.7.7 camel 4.9.1 and groovy 4.0.25)
>>>>> >> > > >> >
>>>>> >> > > >> > Somehow the dateutils overload for the date class seems not 
>>>>> >> > > >> > to work anymore. In groovy 3.0.9 the bundle was a fragment 
>>>>> >> > > >> > host and working.... Do I need to do something extra with 
>>>>> >> > > >> > groovy 4?
>>>>> >> > > >> >
>>>>> >> > > >> > Br Matthias
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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