Baran,
You wrote: *There is really a lot of work to do making your idea
transparent for a normal user as i, would i say...*
Can you be more specific please? Details appreciated.
BTW, we made some changes to the user interface over the weekend.
-- Adrian
Adrian Walker
Reengineering LLC
San Jose, CA, USA
860 830 2085
www.executable-english.com
On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:28 AM, <baran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Adrian,
>
> *Is it a possible scenario to think a Semantic Web environment controlled
>> only by rules?*
>> Yes. Executable English is rules-only on the surface. Internally, it
>> automatically generates and runs networked SQL.
>>
>> Here's an example:
>> www.executable-english.com/Oil_Industry_Supply_Chain_by_Kowa
>> lski_and_Walker.pdf
>>
>
> I think, your 'Executable English' devolopement idea doesn't involve a
> 'Semantic Web environment', but ofcourse with rules it can support running
> 'a networked SQL'.
>
> In www.executable-english.com/Oil_Industry_Supply_Chain_by_Kowa
> lski_and_Walker.pdf i cannot see, when it was published??? This a bit
> important for investing time reading it. I see in this document again the
> link
>
> http://www.executable-english.com
>
> I think, its mean content is not yet in a state of publishing for the
> world as i already wrote in my previous posting. There is really a lot of
> work todo making your idea transparent for a normal user as i, would i
> say...
>
> baran
>
> ************
>
>
>
>> Adrian Walker
>> Reengineering LLC
>> San Jose, CA, USA
>> 860 830 2085
>> www.executable-english.com
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 6:41 AM, <baran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I still need some explanation. What is the advantage of using ontology in
>>>
>>>> our semantic web application. Its just that we can share it?
>>>>
>>>> Second, what is the advantage of Jena rules? A task completed with an
>>>> RDF
>>>> API and same task with Jena rules, why people prefer rules?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> i think, kumar's both questions together make sense. Ontologies + Rules
>>> make the whole thing really very complex.
>>>
>>> My question: Is it a possible scenario to think a Semantic Web
>>> environment
>>> controlled only by rules?
>>>
>>> thanks, baran
>>>
>>> **************
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 11:28 AM, <baran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Adrian, i think this is a rather old and not yet fully developed
>>>>> application with a UI needing a bit freshing up for smoothly working,
>>>>> databases are (I tried with commodities1/2) also old and rather small.
>>>>> Is
>>>>> gold no commodity? if i put a question with an agent the effect is only
>>>>> reordering the list of general questions. My suggestion is: Let at
>>>>> first
>>>>> as
>>>>> input for an agent not only questions but also the option of a single
>>>>> item
>>>>> and then give a list of possible questions the agent can answer exactly
>>>>> for
>>>>> this item. May be i couldn't get everything so how it is meant...
>>>>>
>>>>> But the idea as whole has some original aspects, that was really what i
>>>>> meant: Trying away from heavy classical view of SPARQL databases
>>>>> connected
>>>>> to certain ontologies with a lot of small surprising error effects in
>>>>> developement, so that people ask: Why dont you make a simple SQL
>>>>> database,
>>>>> you talk then about Semantic Web, Linked Data basing on triples and
>>>>> URI's
>>>>> and of course about public endpoints. Then comes the question: 'public'
>>>>> endpoints with this performance where SPARQL only an adapted SQL for
>>>>> triples is? etc...
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you could next fresh up your concept if you have time for it,
>>>>> the
>>>>> other question is how it would react under heavy usage... This is my
>>>>> comment after 20 minutes, sorry that i had not much more time...
>>>>>
>>>>> **********
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 07:05:54 +0100, Adrian Walker <
>>>>> adriandwal...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Baran,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You wrote:
>>>>>> *This means downsizing the whole thing to a simplified kernel for a
>>>>>> special
>>>>>> application field.*
>>>>>> Here's a simplified kernel that arguably covers wider version of
>>>>>> application semantics than the usual "semantic web" tools.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's a summary slide:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.executable-english.com/internet_business_logic_in_a_nuts
>>>>>> hell.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The system that supports this is live, online at
>>>>>> www.executable-english.com.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shared use is free, and there are no advertisements. Nothing to
>>>>>> download,
>>>>>> just point a browser to the site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for comments, -- Adrian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adrian Walker
>>>>>> Reengineering LLC
>>>>>> San Jose, CA, USA
>>>>>> 860 830 2085
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 4:33 AM, <baran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 18:02:46 +0100, David Jordan <
>>>>>>> jdavidjorda...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree that have some discussion about this is very useful. Many of
>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> have tried to evangelize semantic web technologies in our
>>>>>>> organizations
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and > have struggled and failed because we cannot provide sufficient
>>>>>>>> justification for using the technology. Hearing the specific value
>>>>>>>> provided that can convince the skeptics is extremely valuable, much
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> valuable
>>>>>>>> than simple support questions about a particular API interface.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yes, i thing similar things, also like others responding to this
>>>>>>> thread
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> an open minded way...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But i also want to describe something for the future:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I imagine, a cheekily developer constructs a small, easily
>>>>>>> understandable
>>>>>>> and effectively implementable 'subset' of the whole thing 'Semantic
>>>>>>> Web'
>>>>>>> defining a new playing field or making great progress in usual apps
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This cold be the realisation of TBL cit. (about 20 years ago?): 'The
>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>> exciting things about Semantic Web is not what we can imagine to do
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> it, but we can't yet imagine it will do.'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First step is always a very simple and comprehensible idea.. This
>>>>>>> means
>>>>>>> downsizing the whole thing to a simplified kernel for a special
>>>>>>> application
>>>>>>> field... Better late than never...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is really what i instinctively think about this stuff after so
>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>> years. I know, such things are totally off topic for Jena team, but
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> posting is for 2 or 3 users who can be interested, if it is
>>>>>>> allowed...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks, baran.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ************
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/02/17 12:22, kumar rohit wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, what are the benefits of semantic web technologies? I have used
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> semantic web technologies from one year but, in theory I am not
>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> real advantages of semantic web.
>>>>>>>>>> When we develop a system using traditional RDBMS and Java and same
>>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>>> we develop using Java/Jena Protege SPARQL etc, so what is the
>>>>>>>>>> advantage
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the latter application?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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