Hi,

Before I share the background, @Rob the answer to your question is we are
using tdb2 and the object type for relation:hasuserCount  is  <
http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#integer>

BACKGROUND  :

So the use case is we need to do a full text search for the search term on
the skos xl-prefLabel and skos xl-altLabel. After resolving the search term
through fulltext search, we need to return the metadata which includes all
the skos xl-altLabel. Since there could be many skos xl-altLabels we need
to return the top 10 skos xl-altLabel as a collection of arrays.

So we have another triple corresponding to each skos xl label which has
predicate <https://cxdata.bold.com/ontologies/myDomain#hasUserCount> and
object is integer value (<http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#integer>) which
is basically the rank of label.

So I need to return the higher rank  skos xl-altLabel in the collection .
Similar is the use case for related skosxl label



Here is ttl file

@prefix : <https://data.coypu.org/> .
@prefix fuseki: <http://jena.apache.org/fuseki#> .
@prefix rdf: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#> .
@prefix text: <http://jena.apache.org/text#> .
@prefix tdb2: <http://jena.apache.org/2016/tdb#> .
@prefix skos: <http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core#> .
@prefix skosxl: <http://www.w3.org/2008/05/skos-xl#> .
@prefix relations: <https://cxdata.bold.com/ontologies/CareerDomain#>

:service_tdb_all  rdf:type  fuseki:Service;
        fuseki:name      "cdm";
fuseki:endpoint [ fuseki:operation fuseki:query; fuseki:name "sparql" ];
fuseki:endpoint [ fuseki:operation fuseki:query; fuseki:name "query" ];
fuseki:endpoint [ fuseki:operation fuseki:update; fuseki:name "update"];
fuseki:endpoint [ fuseki:operation fuseki:gsp-r; ];
fuseki:endpoint [ fuseki:operation fuseki:gsp-r; fuseki:name "get" ];
fuseki:endpoint [ fuseki:operation fuseki:gsp-rw; fuseki:name "data" ];

        fuseki:dataset <#myTextDS>.

<#myTextDS> rdf:type text:TextDataset ;
    text:dataset <#myDatasetReadWrite> ;
    text:index <#indexLucene> ;
    .

<#indexLucene> a text:TextIndexLucene ;
    text:analyzer [ a text:StandardAnalyzer ];
    text:directory "run/databases/cdm-text-index";
    text:storeValues true ;
    text:entityMap <#entMap> ;
    .

<#entMap> a text:EntityMap ;
    text:entityField "uri" ;
    text:graphField "graph" ;
    text:defaultField "title" ;
    text:map (
        [ text:field "title"; text:predicate skosxl:literalForm; ]

    ) .

<#myDatasetReadWrite>
        rdf:type       tdb2:DatasetTDB2;
        tdb2:location
 "/apache-jena-fuseki/apache-jena-fuseki-5.0.0-rc1/run/databases/cdm" .



Here is my current query

PREFIX text: <http://jena.apache.org/text#>
PREFIX skos: <http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core#>
PREFIX skosxl: <http://www.w3.org/2008/05/skos-xl#>
PREFIX relations: <https://cxdata.bold.com/ontologies/myDomain#>

SELECT ?concept ?titleSkosxl ?title ?languageCode (GROUP_CONCAT(DISTINCT
?relatedTitle; separator=", ") AS ?relatedTitles) (GROUP_CONCAT(DISTINCT
?alternate; separator=", ") AS ?alternates)
WHERE
{
  (?titleSkosxl ?score) text:query ('cashier').

?concept skosxl:prefLabel ?titleSkosxl.
  ?titleSkosxl skosxl:literalForm ?title.
  ?titleSkosxl relations:usedInLocale ?controlledList.
  ?controlledList relations:languageMarketCode ?languageCode
FILTER(?languageCode = 'en-US').


#  get alternate title
OPTIONAL
  {
        Select ?alternate  {
        ?concept skosxl:altLabel ?alternateSkosxl.
        ?alternateSkosxl skosxl:literalForm ?alternate;
  relations:hasUserCount ?alternateUserCount.
        }
ORDER BY DESC (?alternateUserCount) LIMIT 10
}

#  get related titles
  OPTIONAL
  {
      Select ?relatedTitle
      {
            ?titleSkosxl relations:isRelatedTo ?relatedSkosxl.
            ?relatedSkosxl skosxl:literalForm ?relatedTitle;
            relations:hasUserCount ?relatedUserCount.
      }
ORDER BY DESC (?relatedUserCount) LIMIT 10
   }
}
GROUP BY ?concept ?titleSkosxl ?title ?languageCode ?alternateJobTitle
?notation
ORDER BY DESC(?jobtitleWeight) DESC(?score)
LIMIT 10

The sorting queries given causes huge performance degradation :
ORDER BY DESC (?alternateUserCount) AND ORDER BY DESC (?relatedUserCount)

On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 5:21 PM Andy Seaborne <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> Could you give some background as to what the sub-select / ORDER / LIMT
> blocks are trying to achieve? Maybe there is another way.
>
>      Andy
>
> On 19/03/2024 10:50, Rob @ DNR wrote:
> > You haven’t specified how your data is stored but assuming you are using
> Jena’s TDB/TDB2 then the triples/quads themselves are already indexed for
> efficient access.  It also inlines some value types that speeds up some
> comparisons and filters, including those used in simple ORDER BY expression
> as in your example.
> >
> > This assumes that your objects for relations:hasUserCount triples are
> properly typed as xsd:integer or another well-known XSD numeric type, if
> not Jena is forced to fallback to more simplistic lexical string sorting
> which can be more expensive.
> >
> > However, there is no indexing available for sorting because SPARQL
> allows for arbitrarily complex sort expressions, and the inputs to those
> expressions may themselves be dynamically computed values that don’t exist
> in the underlying dataset directly.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > From: Chirag Ratra <[email protected]>
> > Date: Tuesday, 19 March 2024 at 10:39
> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>, Andy Seaborne <
> [email protected]>, [email protected] <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Query Performance Degrade With Sorting In
> Subquery
> > Is there any way to create an index or something?
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 3:46 PM Rob @ DNR <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> This is due to Jena’s lazy evaluation in its query engine.
> >>
> >> When you include a LIMIT clause on its own Jena only needs find the
> first
> >> N results (10 in your example) at which point it can abort any further
> >> processing and return results.  In this case evaluation is lazy.
> >>
> >> When you include LIMIT and ORDER BY clauses Jena has to find all
> possible
> >> results, sort them, and then return only the first N results.  In this
> case
> >> full evaluation is required.
> >>
> >> One possible approach might be to split into multiple queries i.e. do
> one
> >> query to get your main set of results, and then separately issue the
> >> related item sub-queries with concrete values substituted into for your
> >> ?concept and ?titleSkosXl values as while Jena will still need to do
> full
> >> evaluation injecting a concrete value will constrain the query
> evaluation
> >> further
> >>
> >> Hope this helps,
> >>
> >> Rob
> >>
> >> From: Chirag Ratra <[email protected]>
> >> Date: Tuesday, 19 March 2024 at 07:46
> >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> >> Subject: Query Performance Degrade With Sorting In Subquery
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Facing a big performance degradation  while using sort query in subquery
> >> If I run query without sorting the response of my query is around 200 ms
> >> but when I use the order by query,  performance comes to be around 4-5
> >> seconds.
> >>
> >> Here is my query :
> >>
> >> PREFIX text: <http://jena.apache.org/text#<http://jena.apache.org/text
> >>
> >> PREFIX skos: <http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core#<
> >> http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core>><
> http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core%3e%3e>
> >> PREFIX skosxl: <http://www.w3.org/2008/05/skos-xl#<
> >> http://www.w3.org/2008/05/skos-xl>><
> http://www.w3.org/2008/05/skos-xl%3e%3e>
> >> PREFIX relations: <https://cxdata.bold.com/ontologies/myDomain#<
> >> https://cxdata.bold.com/ontologies/myDomain>><
> https://cxdata.bold.com/ontologies/myDomain%3e%3e>
> >>
> >> SELECT ?concept ?titleSkosxl ?title ?languageCode (GROUP_CONCAT(DISTINCT
> >> ?relatedTitle; separator=", ") AS ?relatedTitles) (GROUP_CONCAT(DISTINCT
> >> ?alternate; separator=", ") AS ?alternates)
> >> WHERE
> >> {
> >>    (?titleSkosxl ?score) text:query ('cashier').
> >>
> >> ?concept skosxl:prefLabel ?titleSkosxl.
> >>    ?titleSkosxl skosxl:literalForm ?title.
> >>    ?titleSkosxl relations:usedInLocale ?controlledList.
> >>    ?controlledList relations:languageMarketCode ?languageCode
> >> FILTER(?languageCode = 'en-US').
> >>
> >>
> >> #  get alternate title
> >> OPTIONAL
> >>    {
> >>          Select ?alternate  {
> >>          ?concept skosxl:altLabel ?alternateSkosxl.
> >>          ?alternateSkosxl skosxl:literalForm ?alternate;
> >>    relations:hasUserCount ?alternateUserCount.
> >>          }
> >> ORDER BY DESC (?alternateUserCount) LIMIT 10
> >> }
> >>
> >> #  get related titles
> >>    OPTIONAL
> >>    {
> >>        Select ?relatedTitle
> >>        {
> >>              ?titleSkosxl relations:isRelatedTo ?relatedSkosxl.
> >>              ?relatedSkosxl skosxl:literalForm ?relatedTitle;
> >>              relations:hasUserCount ?relatedUserCount.
> >>        }
> >> ORDER BY DESC (?relatedUserCount) LIMIT 10
> >>     }
> >> }
> >> GROUP BY ?concept ?titleSkosxl ?title ?languageCode ?alternateJobTitle
> >> ?notation
> >> ORDER BY DESC(?jobtitleWeight) DESC(?score)
> >> LIMIT 10
> >>
> >> The sorting queries given causes huge performance degradation :
> >> ORDER BY DESC (?alternateUserCount) AND ORDER BY DESC
> (?relatedUserCount)
> >>
> >> How can this be improved, this sorting will be used in each and every
> query
> >> in my application.
> >>
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