On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallag...@gmail.com
> wrote:

> On Fri, 2016-09-16 at 08:59 -0600, Greg Woods wrote:
> > Google is actively trying to discourage IMAP use. I have heard reports
> that
> > they deliberately have it fail randomly to aid in this.
> What evidence do you have for this?

I didn't say I had any hard evidence, I said "I have heard reports". I am
not accusing Google of any criminal activity here.

Google *Is* trying to discourage use of IMAP. They want everyone to use
their API's (via the web interface or a Gmail-specific app). Their tech
support people have told us this much. Whether they are actually causing
failures to discourage IMAP use is, of course, pure speculation. All I can
say there is that there are people who believe they are doing this based on
their own tests. Anecdotal evidence only. Take it for what it's worth.

> The problem being reported (and which I have also seen) is not with
> IMAP but with CalDav.

Sorry, that's my bad for misreading the original post. So this side thread
is largely irrelevant to the OP.

>  See https
> ://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1346228

Thank you for that; I learned something useful by reading through that. I
was curious because I have what may be a related issue in that,
periodically, Evolution starts putting up popup windows for every *#(@(*!
Google calendar in my list, asking for the password. I wish I knew how to
turn that off. I don't use Evolution to access my calendars, I only use it
for IMAP. Unfortunately the one thing Google still doesn't provide is a
decent interface to PGP for reading encrypted e-mail; I still have to use
IMAP for that. This is annoying enough to make me consider trying other
IMAP clients, but Evolution does have a nice easy to use interface for
reading and sending PGP-encrypted mail.

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