On Wed, 2017-08-09 at 08:52 -0700, Thomas Dineen wrote:
> Gentle People:
>    I hate to interrupt your Fedora 26 party, but well here goes a
> dose of reality from the

Yours is not *the* user's perspective. Yours is *a* user's perspective.
 Here is *my* user's perspective.

> 1) First of all F26's performance is very poor. its a CPU hog and
> DRAM ! I installed F26 in a Virtual Box (VBox)
> on a two processor machine and it is so slow that it is barely
> usable. In the same environment CentOS performs
> with quite excellent performance. You have a massive performance
> problem here!

I have F26 installed on the metal and don't see any performance issues.
 I have it running on a dual core 4GB laptop.

> 2) Your new menu system is a joke. I use the system for application
> code development so I want Text Editor
> windows and shells. Why did you hide these in the basement and the
> very bottom of the menu system?
> Also your menus are slow and cumbersome. What was wrong with the
> previous menu system? Is this simply
> change for the sake of change? Have your group been taken over by
> Marketing?

I have not noticed any kind of new menu system.  I, too, use Linux for
application development.  I continue to find all of the tools at the
same location in the menus.  The ones I really use a lot, I put in the
Favorites that show up when you bump the upper left corner.

> 3) Look and feel. Why in the name of hell did you want this look and
> feel? I use Linux for application code
> development. I want Text Editors, shell Windows, gcc, gdb , and ddd.
> Why are all the engineering tools hidden?
> If I wanted the look and feel of Windows I would buy windows!

If you are using GNOME, it has historically had a slightly Windows-ish
kind of feel.

The only change in look and feel that I have noticed is the new
background image.  Each version of Fedora as a new default background
image.  The default F26 background image is not to my liking, so I just
go pick another one.

> 4) Text Editor: Go back to the old one it works way better!

If you are using Linux for application development, I am surprised that
you are using any kind of default text editor.  Most developers will
use VI, some variation of EMACS, or one of the IDE's with its own built
in editor.  Personally, I use XEmacs.

> 5)  Your new Services configuration is a blithering disaster! Please
> bring back the configuration GUIs for
> Services and Users.

You can install system-config-users and system-config-services.

>  Keep in mind here I am not a Linux System administrator! I am a
> user! I perform
> a complex configuration of user and group numbers to maintain NFS
> compatibility with Solaris.

If the Solaris systems are using Sun's NIS, you should be able to link
your Linux system in to use the same system and not have to manually
configure all of the user and group ID's.

> This configuration is difficult even with the GUIs, without them
> forget it.

I know that at one time there was the beginning of a GUI for
interacting with the systemd stuff.  It needed some work, but never
seemed to get any better. Now it seems to be gone completely.

> 6) Cut and paste: I don't know what you did to that! (Well it use to
> work)! P.S. Solaris has a great User I/F
> GUI for cut and paste. 

Haven't noticed any problems with Cut and Paste.

> 6) Yum and rpm: Please print to the screen the directories where S/W
> is installed. So that I don't have to
> waste time going looking for it.
> time you change the configuration
> methodology we the users have to waste hours and even days learning
> the new configuration methodology.
> 8) Are you on drugs? What in the hell gave you the insane idea that a
> command line interface for configuration
> was some how better that a GUI?

Actually, the CLI for configuration allows for scripting it.  Since
your configuration is so complex, you might look into using scripts to
help you with your configuration.

>     Please consider carefully the possibility that you are going in
> the wrong direction!
>     Overall I continue to be disappointed in Fedora and thank heavens
> for CentOS.

Remember that from the beginning, it was stated that Fedora was the
development ground for things that would eventually be part of Red Hat
Enterprise Linux.  If you want a stable version of Linux then either
buy RHEL or use CentOS.  Fedora is known to be unstable and rapidly

If you are so keen on Solaris, you might look into getting Open Solaris
for your machine.

About the only problem I have run into with F26 is that the screensaver
activates when it shouldn't.  It's like the timer for the screensaver
is not being reset when a key is pressed or the mouse is moved.

And if the screensaver is active, pressing a key will not deactivate
it.  Only moving the mouse will deactivate it.

These are not show stoppers, they are just irritating.

Craig Lanning
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