On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Lex Trotman <[email protected]> wrote: > On 24 April 2017 at 12:16, o1bigtenor <[email protected]> wrote: >>> On 24 April 2017 at 09:07, o1bigtenor <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> (Possible issue - - - I changed a top posted response to a bottom posting - >> - - >> sorry! D) > > Don't worry, not consistent about that anyway :) > >> >>>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 5:16 PM, Matthew Brush <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> On 2017-04-23 11:31 AM, o1bigtenor wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Lex Trotman <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 22 April 2017 at 12:33, o1bigtenor <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 7:45 PM, Lex Trotman <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> See http://home.gmane.org/ for that sites current situation. May help >>>>>>>>> if more people let them know they want Geany archives back, but may >>>>>>>>> just annoy them if they are trying as hard as possible. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oh boy - - - I have a complicated question and I had hoped to cruise >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> archive to see if anyone had talked about any of the aspects before I >>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>> dropped it on the list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Given that geany is in the process of being resuscitated what would you >>>>>>>> suggest as a 'reasonable' course of action? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To be clear, its only the Geany archive on Gmane thats being >>>>>>> resuscitated, not Geany itself, don't want people to get the wrong >>>>>>> idea :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd say if google can't find anything relevant, just ask. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I am using a program called ledger (sometimes known as ledger-cli) with >>>>>> a text file for my 'recordkeeping' (what most people call accounting). >>>>>> >>>>>> I have tried to use both vim (and gvim) and emacs and I think I could >>>>>> possibly >>>>>> learn the mountain of pre-wysiwyg codes to use them effectively. Both >>>>>> suffer, >>>>>> in my opinion, in that they don't have a search tool that works in >>>>>> searching for >>>>>> financial data. Yes they have search tools but their quick use has eluded >>>>>> me >>>>>> after quite a number of tries. I only have so much time in my life and >>>>>> entering >>>>>> financial information isn't what I want to spend 20% of my life on - - >>>>>> - training >>>>>> someone else to use the system I'm presently using WITH these cumbersome >>>>>> and awkward search tools - - - I'm thinking what I would need is a >>>>>> serious >>>>>> programmer type - - - and why would they want to work as a bookkeeper >>>>>> for my business? (This preamble is the why.) >>>>>> >>>>>> So now to the issue (the what). When I open a file (text file) in geany >>>>>> the >>>>>> physical layout is different than when I open it in vim/emacs (and >>>>>> seemingly >>>>>> most of the other text editors I've tried). >>>>>> >>>>>> Eg >>>>>> >>>>>> 2016.01.03 (2 tab spaces) Company name >>>>>> 1 tab space Expense: widgets: 5202.01.02.01 (a number of tab spaces) $ >>>>>> 1.00 >>>>>> 1 tab space Asset: account bank xyw: 1023.01.02.02 (") >>>>>> $-1.00 >>>>>> >>>>>> I am using a mono-spaced font as I want the decimals to line up in the >>>>>> right, >>>>>> the beginning of both Expense and Asset (or whatever else that I'm using) >>>>>> are >>>>>> 1 tab space (when I can set things I've been trying to use either 4 or 5 >>>>>> spaces >>>>>> for 1 tab) of indentation. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sometimes there areas many as 6 or 7 Expense listings, there are >>>>>> sometimes >>>>>> 2 or 3 Asset listings. What is goofy is that when the text is aligned >>>>>> in Geany - - - >>>>>> well its NOT in Leafpad, vim or emacs. Switching between Leafpad vim or >>>>>> emacs does not seem to create this morphing. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to stay with Geany because geany offers me the option of >>>>>> creating >>>>>> routines that I can call at the command line and then (hopefully) insert >>>>>> what I >>>>>> have called into the file (looking at using awk at the moment). Why >>>>>> I'm doing this >>>>>> is quite a bit more complicated than this delineated 'confusion' so for >>>>>> now - - >>>>>> please is there some way to get Geany to look exactly (in layout) like >>>>>> any >>>>>> of >>>>>> the other text editors? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanking any of those who care to tackle this in advance!! >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> TL;DR >>>>> >>>>> If things are not aligned, make sure your font is actually mono spaced and >>>>> that nothing is bold (it messes with character widths). Then adjust the >>>>> tab >>>>> width (Document->Set Indent Width) to match the other editors (usually 8 >>>>> chars wide rather than Geany's 4 chars). >>>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for the response! >>>> >>>> I checked - - - its a font called Monospace on my Debian 'stable' read >>>> 'Jessie' >>>> vm. All editors have the tab width set to 4 spaces (after checking >>>> previously >>>> - - - - I did try to find the problem!). >>>> >>>> What makes this confusing is that the single tab width at the beginning of >>>> the >>>> line is never different. The 2 tab spaces after the date is almost never an >>>> issue - - - but the end of the line $ amounts - - - well it shifts - - >>>> - sometimes >>>> to the right and sometimes to the left. Doesn't seem to be any consistency >>>> to it. That's why I'm totally puzzled as to how to fix. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Dee >> >> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Lex Trotman <[email protected]> wrote: >>> You need to provide a small actual file that shows the problem so >>> people can reproduce it. We can't do anything from the description. >>> With lines which show shifts both ways. Using pastebin is fine >>> (clearly with no actual data in it). >> >> Well - - - the actual data is my financial data which isn't going anywhere. >> The VM is quite disconnected from the web in fact. > > Well, you went to the trouble of typing the explanation, but that > doesn't produce any problem here, can't you just type an example that > shows the problem with values of 12345.00 or whatever? If you can't > make a small file that shows the problem then neither can we, and we > have not actually seen the problem yet. If we can't reproduce it we > can't fix it. > > >>> >>> Note that monospace isn't usually a font, its an alias for some named >>> font, so you need to find what that font is to tell if its REALLY >>> monospace. >> >> A description (in detail please) on how to determine what font it actually is >> would be useful. > > That depends on your desktop, its not a Geany thing. In my Cinnamon > desktop its under Menu->Preferences->Fonts but your mileage may > differ. > >>> >>> Also version of Geany and operating system you are using would be useful. >> >> The version of Geany was first 1.29.1 and was upgraded to 1.30.1 Thursday or >> Friday. The operating system was mentioned in the last email. > > You said its a VM running on Debian, whats running in the VM? The vm is on debian testing and the vm on debian stable. > >> >> If this inability to visualize the problem impedes a solution then I guess >> that >> I will need to continue searching for a text editor that is easy to use by >> a noob, needs a minimal amount of 'unusualness' and has a good search >> system. Geany meets all of these but is insisting on not only reading >> differently >> in other environments but even occasionally reading differently when a file >> is >> closed and then re-opened. > > You mean the file looks different if it is closed by Geany and > re-opened by Geany without any other tools touching it? > >> >> I tried to give you as close as possible a visual of what was happening but >> as >> I am using an 87 character line - - - - well 80 spaces can't display >> 87 so even if >> I could put the information here - - - you want actual copy of the file and >> its >> not anything I'm putting on the web. Why 87 characters - - - well I need room >> for the various items of each line and there must be a certain amount of >> white >> space between the 'description' part and the amount otherwise there are other >> issues. (Found that particular need just recently.) >> >> So you have everything that I 'can' give. Hopefully its enough. > > As I said above, can't reproduce the problem yet.
I looked at reproducing with changes to obscure direct information but realized that doing a good job of that was going to take a lot of time, something I'm short of with all the projects going on. Decided to see if there wasn't some other way to look at things. Its a simple thing but that's what makes it frustrating. One can have any tab spacing you want as long as its 8 spaces. Anything else and there will be a number of different ways to display the file. (The file is a text file. Not programming but a file with names, dates, dollar amounts and such so no real fancy anything.) What was interesting was there are about 3 different groups of text file editors. I had about 15 different ones installed trying to find something that would give me what I want - - - a text file editor where I can use some sub-routines that I can call in my 'text' and also an editor that has a great search function. That search function was a very interesting problem as some of the 'more entrenched' editors actually have search functions that are not easy to use. There are a number of 'not major' text editors that have some very interesting features. As I also need something that I can easily train someone else to my book keeper in the legacy editors suffered there. At present I have found a small number of editors that seem to fill my needs. I will continue to use them and over time likely work with just one. Geany has a great search function and after I realized that tabs MUST be 8 spaces - - - well it works. Thanking those that spend time in the reading or trying to replicate my issue. Hopefully posting what I have found will be at least some compensation for their effort! Thanking those responsible for Geany for good work! Regards Dee _______________________________________________ Users mailing list [email protected] https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
