Your web server is hyper-sensitive -- what you're seeing is evidence that I am
using Outlook Web Access. I don't know the details, but historically OWA has
always added a small attachment. This is a known oddity.
The best way to discover what .NET has to offer is to sit down and use it
exclusively for a couple months. There's just so much goodness and
extensibility baked in that it's taking, literally, years to realize some of
the implications.
Web apps: You haven't used ASP.NET, and you also confuse language with
platform. You could do ASP.NET (platform) using PHP (language) to get both the
benefits of a language you obviously enjoy with a platform that I, personally,
think kicks the snot out of the ASP/JSP/CGI-style web development. Seriously,
try it -- it's amazing what you can do when you model a web page as a control
tree you can fire events on.
Regarding GUI under Mono, you must realize that it's no different from GUI in
Python, Java, or C++ -- you pick some library (tkinter, wxPython, gtk, etc) and
use it. There *happens* to be a canonical namespace reserved in Microsoft's
framework (System.Windows) which is in the process of being implemented in
Mono. You don't have to use it -- you could just as well use gtk# or the .NET
wxWindows binding -- but you'd have to package whatever library you choose and
ensure it was installed on the destination machine.
This is true no matter which path you choose, but once Mono has full parity in
the System.Windows namespace, you can assume that library as a pre-installed
constant.
Reverse engineering: every platform has that problem. You do, after all, have
to be able to run it.
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From: David Irvine on behalf of David Irvine
Sent: Sun 1/8/2006 5:19 AM
To: Keith J. Farmer
Cc: Discussion of IronPython
Subject: Re: {Dangerous Content?} RE: [IronPython] is IP for me
Many thanks Keith (and Martin)
I think it looks like CPython and wxPython for me and that way I can create a
cross platform app. I looked at phplanger and its very interesting.
My own feeling is for web apps PHP cannot be beaten but for traditional apps
and socket programming etc. Python is a better solution (I have not looked at
ruby though, which I should).
I am a wee bit lost as to exactly what .net / mono offers programmers. I was
under the impression that I could do a gui based app on mono and it would work
on .net although I was unsure of the gtk bindings and how they convert to work
with windows ? Just lack of research on my behalf.
I am ideally looking to protect my app in the short term (earn some revenue)
and then open source it. This is where python fails a bit as its dead easy to
reverse engineer (even just supplying the pyc files alone). I guess I am going
to create my app / idea and see what the world thinks and hope nobody steals it
too early (if it's any good).
Many thanks for all your ideas and I will watch IP with great interest.
David
PS I left the full mail below - my server is noting some attachment as
dangerous - FYI
On Sat, 2006-01-07 at 14:17 -0800, Keith J. Farmer wrote:
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Forgive the scattered comments --
IP's speed is going to be influenced by the runtime it is executed
under: Microsoft's CLR, Mono, or some other third party runtime. Speed gains
can be realized by both the underlying runtime as well as the efficiency of the
IL being generated.
Mono is a suitable runtime for non-Windows systems, and generally
supports IP at the Mono release following an IP release (they use IP as part of
their test suite). It's still catching up to full parity, but releases more
often than either CPython or Microsoft, so there is the potential for swiftly
closing any gaps that may exist. Completeness of the BCL may or may not be an
issue, depending on your needs.
That said, have you checked out Phalanger? It's an implementation of
PHP for .NET, which may grant you more immediate satisfaction for a commercial
project. As I understand, it's also more mature than IP (not being a PHP-head,
this is mere conjecture), and still grants access to the BCL.
GUI: Mono's working on System.Windows parity, as I understand, but has
Gtk# available already. I understand there's also a WxWindows port to .NET
which may be usable. There's also Cocoa#, but that's going to be Mac-specific.
Personally, I'd recommend using System.Windows unless you absolutely could
not, just as a point of not having to install yet-another-GUI-library.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of David Irvine
Sent: Sat 1/7/2006 1:52 PM
To: Discussion of IronPython
Subject: [IronPython] is IP for me
Hi
Python newbee spent many years with php. I am looking to write a cross
platform non web based app (windows, *nix and MAC). I am looking for
1: Portability
2: Constant GUI based on platform
3: All code to be done in Linux
4: Fast - it has to be fairly quick (python speed)
5: Commercial to begin with then open source after I have made a wee
bit of cash (I am trying a new model out)
I am wondering if IP is the one or should I use CPython and wxWindows
libs etc.
Hope you can help all comments no matter how crazy appreciated.
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