Hi,
I ran the all gather becnhmarks and got this values
which show also a step wise preformance drop as function
of message size.
Would this be linked to the underlying algorithm used for collective operation?


 OSU MPI Allgather Latency Test v5.7.1
# Size       Avg Latency(us)
1                      70.36
2                      47.01
4                      72.42
8                      49.62
16                     57.93
32                     50.11
64                     57.29
128                    74.05
256                   454.41
512                   544.04
1024                  580.96
2048                  711.40
4096                  905.14
8192                 2002.32
16384                2652.59
32768                4034.35
65536                6816.29
131072              14280.11
262144              28451.46
524288              54719.41
1048576            106607.19



I use srun and not mpirun, how to activate the flage for verbosity in that case?


Best

Denis


________________________________
From: Benson Muite <benson_mu...@emailplus.org>
Sent: Monday, February 7, 2022 4:59:45 PM
To: Bertini, Denis Dr.; Open MPI Users
Subject: Re: [OMPI users] Using OSU benchmarks for checking Infiniband network

Following https://www.open-mpi.org/doc/v3.1/man1/mpirun.1.php

mpirun --verbose --display-map

Have you tried newer OpenMPI versions?

Do you get similar behavior for the osu_reduce and osu_gather benchmarks?

Typically internal buffer sizes as well as your hardware will affect
performance. Can you give specifications similar to what is available at:
http://mvapich.cse.ohio-state.edu/performance/collectives/
where the operating system, switch, node type and memory are indicated.

If you need good performance, may want to also specify the algorithm
used. You can find some of the parameters you can tune using:

ompi_info --all

A particular helpful parameter is:

MCA coll tuned: parameter "coll_tuned_allreduce_algorithm" (current
value: "ignore", data source: default, level: 5 tuner/detail, type: int)
                           Which allreduce algorithm is used. Can be
locked down to any of: 0 ignore, 1 basic linear, 2 nonoverlapping (tuned
reduce + tuned bcast), 3 recursive doubling, 4 ring, 5 segmented ring
                           Valid values: 0:"ignore", 1:"basic_linear",
2:"nonoverlapping", 3:"recursive_doubling", 4:"ring",
5:"segmented_ring", 6:"rabenseifner"
           MCA coll tuned: parameter
"coll_tuned_allreduce_algorithm_segmentsize" (current value: "0", data
source: default, level: 5 tuner/detail, type: int)

For OpenMPI 4.0, there is a tuning program [2] that might also be helpful.

[1]
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/36635061/how-to-check-which-mca-parameters-are-used-in-openmpi
[2] https://github.com/open-mpi/ompi-collectives-tuning

On 2/7/22 4:49 PM, Bertini, Denis Dr. wrote:
> Hi
>
> When i repeat i always got the huge discrepancy at the
>
> message size of 16384.
>
> May be there is a way to run mpi in verbose mode in order
>
> to further investigate this behaviour?
>
> Best
>
> Denis
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* users <users-boun...@lists.open-mpi.org> on behalf of Benson
> Muite via users <users@lists.open-mpi.org>
> *Sent:* Monday, February 7, 2022 2:27:34 PM
> *To:* users@lists.open-mpi.org
> *Cc:* Benson Muite
> *Subject:* Re: [OMPI users] Using OSU benchmarks for checking Infiniband
> network
> Hi,
> Do you get similar results when you repeat the test? Another job could
> have interfered with your run.
> Benson
> On 2/7/22 3:56 PM, Bertini, Denis Dr. via users wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I am using OSU microbenchmarks compiled with openMPI 3.1.6 in order to
>> check/benchmark
>>
>> the infiniband network for our cluster.
>>
>> For that i use the collective all_reduce benchmark and run over 200
>> nodes, using 1 process per node.
>>
>> And this is the results i obtained 😎
>>
>>
>>
>> ################################################################
>>
>> # OSU MPI Allreduce Latency Test v5.7.1
>> # Size       Avg Latency(us)   Min Latency(us)   Max Latency(us)  Iterations
>> 4                     114.65             83.22            147.98        1000
>> 8                     133.85            106.47            164.93        1000
>> 16                    116.41             87.57            150.58        1000
>> 32                    112.17             93.25            130.23        1000
>> 64                    106.85             81.93            134.74        1000
>> 128                   117.53             87.50            152.27        1000
>> 256                   143.08            115.63            173.97        1000
>> 512                   130.34            100.20            167.56        1000
>> 1024                  155.67            111.29            188.20        1000
>> 2048                  151.82            116.03            198.19        1000
>> 4096                  159.11            122.09            199.24        1000
>> 8192                  176.74            143.54            221.98        1000
>> 16384               48862.85          39270.21          54970.96        1000
>> 32768                2737.37           2614.60           2802.68        1000
>> 65536                2723.15           2585.62           2813.65        1000
>>
>> ####################################################################
>>
>> Could someone explain me what is happening for message = 16384 ?
>> One can notice a huge latency (~ 300 time larger)  compare to message
>> size = 8192.
>> I do not really understand what could  create such an increase in the
>> latency.
>> The reason i use the OSU microbenchmarks is that we
>> sporadically experience a drop
>> in the bandwith for typical collective operations such as MPI_Reduce in
>> our cluster
>> which is difficult to understand.
>> I would be grateful if somebody can share its expertise or such problem
>> with me.
>>
>> Best,
>> Denis
>>
>>
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