sorry, I meant  “only the ten k-points you provide” and  “you specify atomic 
coordinates in alat coordinates” .
giovanni

> On 07 May 2015, at 11:09, Giovanni Cantele <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> I tried to run your input with both the k-point grid you provided and with
> K_POINTS (automatic)
> 4  4  4    1  1  1
> 
> but no symmetry and 32 k-points are found in both cases. The reason why pw.x 
> does not uses only the then k-points you provide is that it understands that 
> you provide a k-point grid that is compatible with some symmetry but that 
> symmetry is not found. So, if two k-points, let’s say k1 and k2, are 
> equivalent by symmetry, the run should use only k1 with weight 2 , but if 
> symmetry is not found the grid you provide is “completed” so as to span the 
> full Brillouin zone.
> 
> So the problem is reverted to why symmetry is not found. The reason is that 
> (I guess) you specify atomic coordinates in flat coordinates, whereas they 
> are likely to be expressed in crystal coordinates.
> 
> If you try to replace
> ATOMIC_POSITIONS (alat)
> with
> ATOMIC_POSITIONS (crystal)
> 
> with 
> K_POINTS (automatic)
> 4  4  4    1  1  1
> then pw.x correctly (unless other possible errors in the input file!) gives 
> you 12 Sym.Ops. (with inversion) and
>      number of k points=   10  gaussian broad. (Ry)=  0.0050     ngauss =  -1
>                        cart. coord. in units 2pi/a_0
>         k(    1) = (   0.0000000   0.0000000   0.1304249), wk =   0.0625000
>         k(    2) = (  -0.5057234  -0.2919796   0.2173748), wk =   0.1875000
>         k(    3) = (   1.0114469   0.5839591  -0.0434750), wk =   0.1875000
>         k(    4) = (   0.5057234   0.2919796   0.0434750), wk =   0.1875000
>         k(    5) = (  -0.5057234   0.2919796   0.3043247), wk =   0.1875000
>         k(    6) = (   1.0114469   1.1679182   0.0434750), wk =   0.3750000
>         k(    7) = (   0.5057234   0.8759387   0.1304249), wk =   0.3750000
>         k(    8) = (   1.0114469  -0.5839591  -0.2173748), wk =   0.1875000
>         k(    9) = (   0.0000000   0.0000000   0.3912746), wk =   0.0625000
>         k(   10) = (   1.5171703   0.8759387   0.1304249), wk =   0.1875000
> 
> 
> Visualizing the structure with xcrysden would have been helpful to understand 
> that the input structure you provided were not what you want to provide!!
> 
> 
> Also, if you want to use k-points provided by another code, be sure that the 
> reciprocal (or direct) vector defining the unit cell are the same in both 
> codes, because
> there can be more than one choice on the unit cell vectors.
> 
> Giovanni
> 
> 
>> On 07 May 2015, at 10:44, Manuel Pérez Jigato <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>> hi again
>> 
>> just in case this information could be helpful, let me add to my former 
>> message that the original k-point set generated with abinit and introduced 
>> by hand 
>> in order to run pwscf, are based on a monkhorst-pack grid  4x4x4, which is 
>> shifted by 1/2 1/2 1/2. On the other hand, the correct space group is ITA 
>> number 166
>> (R-3m:R), ie the primitive cell with 4 atoms
>> 
>> thanks a lot
>> 
>> Manuel
>> 
>> Dr Manuel Pérez Jigato, Chargé de Recherche
>> Luxembourg Institute of Science and Technology (LIST)
>> Materials Research and Technology (MRT)
>> 41 rue du Brill
>> L-4422 BELVAUX
>> Grand-Duché de Luxembourg
>> Tel (+352) 47 02 61 - 584
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>> 
>> 
>> <graycol.gif>Manuel Pérez Jigato ---07/05/2015 10:33:09---hello I am a 
>> newcomer to pwscf, and I would like to report a problem with the
>> 
>> From:        Manuel Pérez Jigato <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>>
>> To:  "PWSCF Forum" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>, 
>> Date:        07/05/2015 10:33
>> Subject:     [Pw_forum] problem with K_POINTS introduced by hand (input and  
>> output files enclosed)
>> Sent by:     [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> hello
>> 
>> I am a newcomer to pwscf, and I would like to report a problem with the 
>> K_POINTS option of the input file. When I try to input the k-points by hand, 
>> the program pwscf runs fine, but, only after generating a completely 
>> different set of k-points, ie, ignoring my input K-POINT data.(See attached 
>> file: dela.out)
>> For a rhombohedral cell (ibrav 5), I have introduced in the input 10 
>> kpoints, which originally where generated as the probably most economic set 
>> (pwscf generates 32 points, but it is unclear to me whether they correspond 
>> to the full-zone or else, to the IBZ). I have generated the 10 k-points
>> from abinit, and they are expressed in "reduced/fractional-coordinates", 
>> which I seem to match to the option "crystal" in K_POINTS entry of pwscf 
>> (for me it is important to have exactly the same k-points in both programs). 
>>  If you look inside the output file file.out from the pwscf run, the first 
>> strange
>> thing that turns up is  "No symmetry found", and the second thing is the 32 
>> k-points, which, furthermore, all have the same weight, consistently with
>> the full zone
>> 
>> will you please clarify this further? in case this is a symmetry problem, 
>> will you please let me know where in the input file I have made a mistake?
>> 
>> thanks a lot
>> 
>> Manuel
>> 
>> PS the input file is 
>> 
>> &control
>> calculation='scf'
>> prefix='delacubo2'
>> restart_mode='from_scratch'
>> pseudo_dir='./'
>> outdir='./'
>> tstress=.true.
>> tprnfor=.true.
>> /
>> &system
>> ibrav=5
>> celldm(1)=10.85761474894d0
>> celldm(4)=0.87781332d0
>> nat=4
>> ntyp=3
>> ecutwfc=30.0D0
>> occupations='smearing'
>> smearing='marzari-vanderbilt'
>> degauss=0.005D0
>> nbnd=24
>> /
>> &electrons
>> mixing_mode='plain'
>> mixing_beta=0.7D0
>> startingwfc ='atomic'
>> conv_thr=1.D-08
>> diagonalization='david'
>> /
>> ATOMIC_SPECIES
>> Cu 63.546 cu.upf
>> B  10.811  b.upf
>> O  15.999  o.upf
>> ATOMIC_POSITIONS (alat)
>> Cu 0.00000 0.00000 0.00000    0  0  0
>> B  0.50000 0.50000 0.50000    0  0  0
>> O  0.11111 0.11111 0.11111    0  0  0
>> O  0.88889 0.88889 0.88889    0  0  0
>> K_POINTS (crystal)
>> 10
>>                     1.25000000E-01  1.25000000E-01  1.25000000E-01  1
>>                     3.75000000E-01  1.25000000E-01  1.25000000E-01  3
>>                    -3.75000000E-01  1.25000000E-01  1.25000000E-01  3
>>                    -1.25000000E-01  1.25000000E-01  1.25000000E-01  3
>>                     3.75000000E-01  3.75000000E-01  1.25000000E-01  3
>>                    -3.75000000E-01  3.75000000E-01  1.25000000E-01  6
>>                    -1.25000000E-01  3.75000000E-01  1.25000000E-01  6
>>                    -3.75000000E-01 -3.75000000E-01  1.25000000E-01  3
>>                     3.75000000E-01  3.75000000E-01  3.75000000E-01  1
>>                    -3.75000000E-01  3.75000000E-01  3.75000000E-01  3
>> 
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Dr Manuel Pérez Jigato, Chargé de Recherche
>> Luxembourg Institute of Science and Technology (LIST)
>> Materials Research and Technology (MRT)
>> 41 rue du Brill
>> L-4422 BELVAUX
>> Grand-Duché de Luxembourg
>> Tel (+352) 47 02 61 - 584
>> Fax (+352) 47 02 64
>> e-mail  [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>[attachment 
>> "dela.out" deleted by Manuel Pérez Jigato/LIST] 
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