I actually agrees with you Gordan.
I prefer to make my own partitions other than the one NOOBS made.
But NOOBS is a good way to "get a foot inside the door" in the Raspberry world. No need for other distributions to get ahead of Redsleeve ;)

And if Fedora(RedHat....) refuses the things you wrote then it is good that people have other choices like Redsleeve,CentOS etc.

BR,
Bjarne


On 21-06-2015 11:34, Gordan Bobic wrote:
I don't think the target market for RedSleeve is "elite". It just isn't for users that need hand holding and feel out of their depth when having to use dd, tar, ifconfig/ip and yum on the command line and sorting out the most basic configuration tasks themselves.

As for your idea that it might lead to more developers/helpers/testers, realistically, people who aren't up to such a basic standard of Linux usage aren't typically going to be able to help with most of those things. This isn't intended to come across as elitist - it is merely a statement of the obvious, that the few of us maintaining it don't really have enough spare hours in a day to help with generic issues that aren't specific to RS but would cause the user the same problem on Fedora or EL on x86.

Having said that, none of this is a reason to make getting things up and running more difficult. If that can be achieved in a consistent and uniform way, then that's awesome. Unfortunately, that's really difficult when most of the hardware is very different, up to and including the bootloaders and available working kernels. Just look at the situation with Fedora ARM - they flat out refuse to even consider supporting any hardware that isn't supported by the mainline kernel, and have dropped support for everything before ARMv7 in order to make the support scope manageable. CentOS are doing the same thing with their armv7hl build. In that regard, RS supports far greater range of hardware, but the price of this is that the user is left to their own devices to figure out out how to get the RS userspace running with whatever kernel their device shipped with.

Gordan

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