Hello Noel

If I disable route installation.

? can a custom _updown script be used to set the route for each tunnel

? or can the "event monitor" callback be used to set the route for each tunnel

-----Original Message-----
From: Noel Kuntze [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 8:22 AM
To: Modster, Anthony <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Subject: [SUSPECT EMAIL: No Reputation] Re: [SUSPECT EMAIL: No Reputation] Re: 
[SUSPECT EMAIL: No Reputation] multiple tunnels

Nope. But you can disable the route installation from charon by setting 
charon.install_routes to no.
You can't use the _updown script to manage routes.

On 04.05.2017 17:17, Modster, Anthony wrote:
> Hello Noel
> 
> ? is there a way to  use _updown to set both routes (disabling Charon 
> from setting the current route)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Noel Kuntze 
> [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 4:12 AM
> To: Modster, Anthony <[email protected]>; 
> [email protected]
> Subject: [SUSPECT EMAIL: No Reputation] Re: [SUSPECT EMAIL: No 
> Reputation] multiple tunnels
> 
> Hello Anthony,
> 
> I don't understand what you mean with that, but you could add a route to the 
> remote peer with a higher MTU, if you can actually communicate over the other 
> link with the IP on the other interface (the IP of another provider). If you 
> can't do that, then this is not solvable.
> 
> On 04.05.2017 02:02, Modster, Anthony wrote:
>> Hello Noel
>> We were thinking of changing the created via for eth1.13 (adding matric 
>> info).
>> Then when ppp0 tunnel comes up, create another via for it.
>>
>> I think Charon does try to create a via for ppp0, but can't.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Noel Kuntze
>> [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 4:45 PM
>> To: Modster, Anthony <[email protected]>; 
>> [email protected]
>> Subject: [SUSPECT EMAIL: No Reputation] Re: [SUSPECT EMAIL: No 
>> Reputation] Re: [strongSwan] [SUSPECT EMAIL: No Reputation] Re:
>> [SUSPECT EMAIL: No Reputation] multiple tunnels
>>
>> Hello Anthony,
>>
>> As predicted, charon can't find an alternative network path:
>>
>> 2017 May  3 21:50:28+00:00 wglng-6 charon [info] 12[KNL] interface
>> eth1.13 deactivated
>> 2017 May  3 21:50:28+00:00 wglng-6 charon [info] 05[KNL] 
>> 192.168.1.134 disappeared from eth1.13
>> 2017 May  3 21:50:28+00:00 wglng-6 charon [info] 15[IKE] old path is 
>> not available anymore, try to find another
>> 2017 May  3 21:50:28+00:00 wglng-6 charon [info] 15[IKE] looking for a route 
>> to 76.232.248.210 ...
>> 2017 May  3 21:50:28+00:00 wglng-6 charon [info] 15[IKE] 
>> reauthenticating IKE_SA due to address change
>> 2017 May  3 21:50:28+00:00 wglng-6 charon [info] 15[IKE] 
>> reauthenticating IKE_SA sgateway1-gldl[1]
>> 2017 May  3 21:50:28+00:00 wglng-6 charon [info] 15[IKE] 
>> reauthenticating IKE_SA sgateway1-gldl[1]
>> 2017 May  3 21:50:29+00:00 wglng-6 charon [info] 05[IKE] sending DPD 
>> request
>> 2017 May  3 21:50:29+00:00 wglng-6 charon [info] 05[ENC] generating 
>> INFORMATIONAL request 23 [ ]
>> 2017 May  3 21:50:29+00:00 wglng-6 charon [info] 05[NET] sending
>> packet: from 166.204.98.165[4500] to 76.232.248.210[4500] (96 bytes)
>> 2017 May  3 21:50:29+00:00 wglng-6 charon [info] 13[NET] received
>> packet: from 76.232.248.210[4500] to 166.204.98.165[4500] (96 bytes)
>> 2017 May  3 21:50:29+00:00 wglng-6 charon [info] 13[ENC] parsed 
>> INFORMATIONAL response 23 [ ]
>> 2017 May  3 21:50:31+00:00 wglng-6 charon [info] 15[IKE] retransmit 1 
>> of request with message ID 95
>> 2017 May  3 21:50:31+00:00 wglng-6 charon [info] 15[NET] sending
>> packet: from 192.168.1.134[500] to 76.232.248.210[500] (96 bytes)
>> 2017 May  3 21:50:31+00:00 wglng-6 charon [info] 04[NET] error 
>> writing to socket: Invalid argument
>>
>> It can't send any packets though, because the address 192.168.1.134 isn't 
>> bound to any active interface.
>>
>> That ends with this:
>>
>> 2017 May  3 21:50:50+00:00 wglng-6 charon [info] 07[ENC] parsed 
>> INFORMATIONAL response 33 [ ]
>> 2017 May  3 21:50:51+00:00 wglng-6 charon [info] 12[IKE] giving up 
>> after 5 retransmits
>> 2017 May  3 21:50:51+00:00 wglng-6 charon [info] 12[IKE] looking up 
>> interface for virtual IP 20.20.20.6 failed
>> 2017 May  3 21:50:51+00:00 wglng-6 charon [info] 12[IKE] restarting 
>> CHILD_SA sgateway1-gldl
>> 2017 May  3 21:50:51+00:00 wglng-6 charon [info] 12[IKE] initiating 
>> IKE_SA sgateway1-gldl[3] to 76.232.248.210
>> 2017 May  3 21:50:51+00:00 wglng-6 charon [info] 12[IKE] initiating 
>> IKE_SA sgateway1-gldl[3] to 76.232.248.210
>> 2017 May  3 21:50:51+00:00 wglng-6 charon [info] 13[IKE] sending DPD 
>> request
>>
>> This continues until the end of the log. The interface eth1.13 doesn't come 
>> up in the logs after it was deactivated.
>>
>> The PCAPs are pretty useless, because they don't show the problem. But ESP 
>> traffic indeed flows through the different network interfaces.
>> Hmh. Curious! I wonder why that is.
>>
>> On 04.05.2017 01:25, Modster, Anthony wrote:
>>> Hello Noel
>>>
>>> I am resending the message and for files are compressed.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Modster, Anthony
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:55 PM
>>> To: 'Noel Kuntze' 
>>> <[email protected]>;
>>> [email protected]
>>> Subject: RE: [SUSPECT EMAIL: No Reputation] Re: [strongSwan] 
>>> [SUSPECT
>>> EMAIL: No Reputation] Re: [SUSPECT EMAIL: No Reputation] multiple 
>>> tunnels
>>>
>>> Hello Noel
>>>
>>> 1. let me know if any of the files are missing (s/b 3) 2. let me 
>>> know if the log levels are ok (our settings were more than support
>>> required)
>>>
>>> The following test and its results will be sent to strongswan for 
>>> eveluation.
>>>
>>> bring up ethernet eth1.13
>>> when interface comes up start, tcpdump -i eth1.13 -w 
>>> test_restart_eth113.dat
>>> note: ipsec tunnel will start
>>> wait for tunnel
>>> bring up ppp0
>>> when interface comes up start, tcpdump -i ppp0 -w 
>>> test_restart_ppp0.dat wait for tunnel disconnect ethernet
>>> note: ppp0 will stop communicating
>>> wait for ppp0 to recover (about 9 mins)
>>>
>>> log files:
>>> test_restart_eth113.dat
>>> test_restart_ppp0.dat
>>> test_restart_security_edit.log
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Noel Kuntze
>>> [mailto:[email protected]]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 1:37 PM
>>> To: Modster, Anthony <[email protected]>; 
>>> [email protected]
>>> Subject: [SUSPECT EMAIL: No Reputation] Re: [strongSwan] [SUSPECT
>>> EMAIL: No Reputation] Re: [SUSPECT EMAIL: No Reputation] multiple 
>>> tunnels
>>>
>>> For each interface.
>>>
>>> On 03.05.2017 22:24, Modster, Anthony wrote:
>>>> Hello Noel
>>>>
>>>> Quick question, do you want the tcpdump capture for each interface, or 
>>>> capture at the secure gateway side.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Noel Kuntze
>>>> [mailto:[email protected]]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 12:08 PM
>>>> To: Modster, Anthony <[email protected]>; 
>>>> [email protected]
>>>> Subject: [SUSPECT EMAIL: No Reputation] Re: [SUSPECT EMAIL: No 
>>>> Reputation] multiple tunnels
>>>>
>>>> Hello Anthony,
>>>>
>>>> On 03.05.2017 20:36, Modster, Anthony wrote:
>>>>> Each tunnel would be bound to a separate interface (eth1.13 and ppp0).
>>>>> Our application would open a socket for each tunnel end point, and bind 
>>>>> to it (so there is no routing needed).
>>>> What kind of socket? Raw IP?
>>>>
>>>>> We verified that ESP packets are being sent from each application socket 
>>>>> to the assigned interface.
>>>> Huh? Don't you mean "We verified that ESP packets are sent for each packet 
>>>> that is emitted from the application socket to the assigned interface"?
>>>>
>>>>> We verified that IKE packets are being sent to each interface from Charon.
>>>> This is very curious. Please verify that they are indeed sent out from two 
>>>> different interfaces.
>>>> As I previously mentioned, routing decisions are made based on the 
>>>> destination address, not the source address, so IKE packets for either 
>>>> IKE_SA would traverse the same interface and use the same route, except if 
>>>> you used policy based routing.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I require logs to figure out what happens exactly. Please create 
>>>> them using the file logger definition from the HelpRequests[1] page.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Noel
>>>>
>>>> [1]
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>>>>> ? does this sound ok
>>>>> I will send more after your response.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Noel Kuntze
>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 10:38 AM
>>>>> To: Modster, Anthony <[email protected]>; 
>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>> Subject: [SUSPECT EMAIL: No Reputation] Re: [strongSwan] [SUSPECT
>>>>> EMAIL: No Reputation] Re: multiple tunnels
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Anthony,
>>>>>
>>>>> On 03.05.2017 19:24, Modster, Anthony wrote:
>>>>>> We are using two interfaces at once from same host to the same secure 
>>>>>> gateway.
>>>>> Why?
>>>>> Why even two IKE_SAs? Just use one IKE_SA and have the two CHILD_SAs be 
>>>>> managed under one.
>>>>>
>>>>>> root@wglng-6:~# ip route show
>>>>>> 10.64.64.64 dev ppp0  proto kernel  scope link  src 166.204.4.61
>>>>>> 192.168.1.0/24 dev eth1.13  proto kernel  scope link  src
>>>>>> 192.168.1.134
>>>>>> Note: I did not show interfaces that are not applicable
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Both tunnels are up and were able to ping and send data thru the tunnels.
>>>>>> root@wglng-6:~# swanctl --list-sas
>>>>>> sgateway1-radio0: #2, ESTABLISHED, IKEv2, 08173d8797a410eb_i* 
>>>>>> 5fa1f29dce075fd4_r
>>>>>>   local  '[email protected]' @ 166.204.4.61[4500] [20.20.20.9]
>>>>>>   remote 'C=CA, O=Carillon Information Security Inc., OU=TEST, 
>>>>>> OU=Devices, OU=Aircraft Operator Ground Stations, OU=Teledyne Controls, 
>>>>>> CN=ELS-VPAPP-WGL08 - ID' @ 76.232.248.210[4500]
>>>>>>   AES_CBC-256/HMAC_SHA2_512_256/PRF_HMAC_SHA1/ECP_256
>>>>>>   established 922s ago, rekeying in 43s, reauth in 2455s
>>>>>>   sgateway1-radio0: #4, reqid 2, INSTALLED, TUNNEL-in-UDP, 
>>>>>> ESP:AES_CBC-256/HMAC_SHA1_96
>>>>>>     installed 336s ago, rekeying in 211s, expires in 325s
>>>>>>     in  c2e01069,   1320 bytes,    33 packets,     6s ago
>>>>>>     out e1c27d5f,   1452 bytes,    33 packets,     6s ago
>>>>>>     local  20.20.20.9/32
>>>>>>     remote 10.100.20.15/32
>>>>>> sgateway1-gldl: #1, ESTABLISHED, IKEv2, 00989cc440834937_i* 
>>>>>> 5e3c5e4b5c1ec4cf_r
>>>>>>   local  '[email protected]' @ 192.168.1.134[4500] [20.20.20.8]
>>>>>>   remote 'C=CA, O=Carillon Information Security Inc., OU=TEST, 
>>>>>> OU=Devices, OU=Aircraft Operator Ground Stations, OU=Teledyne Controls, 
>>>>>> CN=ELS-VPAPP-WGL08 - ID' @ 76.232.248.210[4500]
>>>>>>   AES_CBC-256/HMAC_SHA2_512_256/PRF_HMAC_SHA1/ECP_256
>>>>>>   established 1049s ago, rekeying in 150s, reauth in 2257s
>>>>>>   sgateway1-gldl: #3, reqid 1, INSTALLED, TUNNEL-in-UDP, 
>>>>>> ESP:AES_CBC-256/HMAC_SHA1_96
>>>>>>     installed 469s ago, rekeying in 104s, expires in 191s
>>>>>>     in  c45db512,   1880 bytes,    47 packets,     6s ago
>>>>>>     out 77309eef,   2068 bytes,    47 packets,     6s ago
>>>>>>     local  20.20.20.8/32
>>>>>>     remote 10.100.20.15/32
>>>>>>
>>>>>> strongswan creates the following in table 220 root@wglng-6:~# ip 
>>>>>> route show table 220
>>>>>> 10.100.20.15 via 192.168.1.1 dev eth1.13  proto static  src
>>>>>> 20.20.20.8
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When we bring down eth1.13, the tunnel for ppp0 becomes unusable.
>>>>> What do you mean with "the tunnel for ppp0"? The interface is irrelevant.
>>>>> Packets are routed based on their destination. Charon does not pick two 
>>>>> different paths for two different IKE_SAs to the same peer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you aware that charon uses one path for all the IKE_SAs to one peer?
>>>>> Charon should choose another path to the remote peer, if there is one 
>>>>> (and the "src" parameter of the corresponding route allows that). I guess 
>>>>> your routing table doesn't allow that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please provide logs that show the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>> We think the problem is that ppp0 does not have a via in table 220.
>>>>> Irrelevant. See above.
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you need more information, let me know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Noel Kuntze
>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 7:33 AM
>>>>>> To: Modster, Anthony <[email protected]>; 
>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>> Subject: [SUSPECT EMAIL: No Reputation] Re: [strongSwan] multiple 
>>>>>> tunnels
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Anthony,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 03.05.2017 06:57, Modster, Anthony wrote:
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ? how to setup ipsec policy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We want to use multiple tunnels on separate interfaces on the same host 
>>>>>>> to one secure gateway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The secure gateway only has one external IP address.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Depends on your exact requirements. You need to elaborate on this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>> Noel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Noel Kuntze IT security consultant GPG Key ID: 0x0739AD6C
>>>>>> Fingerprint: 3524 93BE B5F7 8E63 1372 AF2D F54E E40B 0739 AD6C 
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