> On July 14, 2022 at 7:18 AM Tobias Brunner <tob...@strongswan.org> wrote:
 
> You seem to be using kernel-libipsec [1], don't!  Just use 
> kernel-netlink instead.

thank you! that's EXACTLY what it was! 

even though I set load = no in that conf file, apparently when an upgrade came 
down from the repo to 5.9.6 the file was overwritten to load = yes again.

I've changed my strongswan.conf file to only include those modules from 
strongswan.d/charon/*.conf which I actually need, rather than having the 
include *.conf present.

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