Paul Michael Reilly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>
> You qualify. :-)
>

Wait lurking some times on this list and you will find real maven
hackers :-)

>
> The first testing tier will be based on the classes and will be mostly
> traditional unit testing, but I will observe that unit testing has
> never given me much bang for the buck.  Rather it is the integration

Not sure this is the right place to start such a discussion but I
actually found unit testing to be very rewarding if taken
seriously and with the "right" approach. IMHO, unit testing is the
cheapest path towards assessing conformance of a piece of software with its 
specs,
whether written, implied, formal or otherwise. As a developer, I
*always* found that writting my unit tests gave me insights on my
code, design and implementations. And I have not written a test class
without finding at least one error or mistake. 

> level testing, driven by JUnit, or a JUnit derived framework, like
> Abbot, that I have found to pay big dividends.  But this particular
> App has highlighted opportunities where traditional unit testing may
> offer bigger dividends.  A second testing phase based on the main jar
> artifact is a definite win.


Sure. Good unit test should be coupled with integration and system
test to achieve suitable coverage and confidence level. I try now to
systematically create an it module for my projects that contains such
high-level tests. I did not found the idea but borrowed it from maven
codebase itself which is structured that way.
 

>
> So I like your suggestions and appreciate you taking the time to make
> them.

Always a pleasure and never a waste of time.

regards,
-- 
OQube < software engineering \ génie logiciel >
Arnaud Bailly, Dr.
\web> http://www.oqube.com


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