No problem, have not taken your suggestion as critical, I just wanted to mention that we are not the community here to change the way things are rolling in JSF.
Apart from that: I believe that in the bigger picture, JSF is no pure MVC implementation, and that you can even find traces of PAC in it - in my belief, in an actual working implementation you never have the "pure" approach.... Whatever the base of JSF, I need to say that it fulfills what it promises for me: it is a relatively (relatively due to the still missing tool support) fast way to build web applications and reusable web components! regards, Martin On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:11:11 -0800, Reza B'Far (Voice Genesis) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Martin: > > Thanks for the response... Once again, I want to make sure that you don't > see my comments as critical towards MyFaces... I'm playing around with it > and think it's some great work. > > I brought this up to some of the spec people as questions in a couple of > Java conferences... the response is generally that they say they actually > follow the development community... mostly struts because of its popularity. > > Anyways, it seems to be a chicken and egg problem. Perhaps raising the > issue with various people active in the open-source community will at least > answer my question. I'm sure this is not just a case of "well, we've always > done it this way because... we've always done it this way" > > Anyways, shedding any light on the cause would be appreciated. Once again, > please don't think of my question as an assault on your efforts. I > certainly appreciate the efforts by you folks immensely. > > Reza > > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Marinschek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:23 AM > To: MyFaces Discussion; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Why MVC instead of PAC? > > you need to address that issue with the spec people - the thing is > that myfaces is an implementation of the JSF standard, you need to > talk to the spec people to change the standard! > > regards, > > Martin > > On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 02:31:49 -0800, Reza B'Far (Voice Genesis) > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Folks: > > > > I have a general question for the architects and authors of MyFaces. > Before > > I state my question though, let it be known that I'm EXTREMELY > appreciative > > of the hard-work you folks are putting into cultivating MyFaces. JSF is > > definitely an improvement over existing stuff... > > > > Why is it that every thing in the Java community follows MVC for SOC of > > UI/Business Logic/Control? I personally prefer PAC over MVC because of a > > lot of reasons, but there are other UI patterns than PAC too. Why is it > > that everything in Java seems to be MVC based? > > > > I personally think MVC has some massive short-comings... but that's > another > > discussion. I just want to know why everything written for Java seems to > > follow MVC! > > > > I personally think that the Agent-based model of PAC would have been a lot > > better fit for JSF efforts since agents more closely resemble the > > component-wise approach of JSF (which is excellent). My understanding of > > the documents I've read is that JSF architecture is largely MVC based. > > > > Reza B'Far > > > > PS: I have a discussion on advantages of PAC over MVC here -- > > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0521817331/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_1/10 > > 3-3893868-9407031?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance > > > > > >
