Hi Jozef,
There is no need to be rude. First, skinning was not implemented in
EA15, which explains why that was not working.
A quick check in the release notes for EA15:
Coming features
Our main planned tasks for upcoming releases are:
* Finishing the component set
* Look-and-feel support
* Rich client components
* Menu model
Also, a quick ADF Faces search on google would have given you samples,
doc, and my email address, so you should have been able to get
help with your issues. As you can see we are also monitoring and trying
to help on the MyFaces list and other jsf related discussion lists, as
well.
ADF Faces releases
We release every 4-6 weeks a build of ADF Faces that is stable enough
to be used internally for developing new releases of products like
CollaborationSuite, eBusinessSuite (Project Fusion), Enterprise
Manager, FilesOnline etc... This is the same release we externalize on
OTN. We cannot follow a more "transparent" model to officially release
products outside Oracle, this will of course change with our work
contributing to the MyFaces project.
Sincerely,
Jonas
Jozef Hribik wrote:
Hi Jonas,
Ok, my flashback on EA-15:
The customer wanted to see some demo-screens of the proposed JSF
solution.
The boss said, take a best-looking JSF-components and make the demo in
1 day. ADF-Faces was the choice. We were able to code some simple
data-list with paging and search function, but nobody was able to grasp
a datamodel for tree in few hours. Ok, we abandoned tree in our demo.
Finally we wanted to skin the demo with customer's logo and colors.
Big, big, big trouble. Mission impossible. We had to say, sorry boss,
Oracle gives us only these khaki buttons and labels (in other words:
shit-color). Guess what was the color of boss's face - RED !!!
Sorry Jonas, but in my opinion ADF-Faces should be versioned more
transparently.
Your EA-15 equals to 0.65 in open-source world.
Jozef Hribik
Jonas Jacobi wrote:
Hi All,
Thanks Jesse!
As mentioned earlier in this thread Oracle is a big company and, no
secret, moves slowly.
Jozef, I'm very sorry that you feel that way about ADF Faces. It would
be very interesting to know specific details about what is not working
and what issues you have been running into. The skinning feature has
been completed and is implemented in EA17, but as with any new features
there are still bugs preventing some components to render custom skins
properly. This has been addressed in subsequent releases, which I hope
we can release at the end of this month.
For the data model I'm not sure I understand your complaint? I have had
no problems implementing support for our components, even the tree
component. A concrete sample or description of the problem would be
appreciated. (We are working on more samples and documentation for ADF
Faces)
For the pricing, yes it is expensive, but this is for the entire Oracle
ADF package IF you are NOT deploying on an Oracle AS. We already have
two developers (John Fallows and Adam Winer) getting acquainted with
the MyFaces source code to see what it brings and what we can
contribute to the MyFaces project.
Jonas Jacobi
ADF Faces
Jesse Alexander (KBSA 21) wrote:
-----Original Message-----
2. Oracle will never extend MyFaces component palette; they just test
their components with MyFaces runtime.
-----/Original Message-----
Check the messages in this mailing lists history very carefully.
Particularily I mean the second message of Jonas Jacobi: -----Original
Message-----
Forgot to add the following comment:
3. Note that we are planning and working with the MyFaces development
team, to contribute our components to the MyFaces project. There
are still things that need to be solved, so for now the above
statement about pricing is what is officially available from Oracle
regarding Oracle ADF (and ADF Faces is part of the overall Oracle
ADF bundle). -----/Original Message----- I think that IS QUITE
CONCRETE...
-----Original Message-----
3. ADF Faces are still not skinable with CSS.
-----/Original Message-----
They are still in EarlyAccess phase. Maybe you should tell them. Maybe
it's on their plans already...
-----Original Message-----
4. Datamodel behind ADF-Faces components is ugly and complicated; try
to use some tree-like-components and you will see.
-----/Original Message-----
There are thoughts behind it. True it is more a buy-it-all situation.
But
maybe within some time and the help of Oracle's developers on this
list, we
might learn its advantages and how to use ADF-components without buying
into
the full modell. Every single component that we can use isolated helps
JSF development.
regards
Alexander
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