Aha, I've found you!
http://forum.hibernate.org/viewtopic.php?t=947528

> -----Original Message-----
> From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Werner Punz
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 2:45 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Hibernate: 1-to-many --> struggling
> 
> Duncan Krebs wrote:
> > Hey,
> > Here are my two cents. The biggest obstacle with Hibernate 
> is figuring 
> > out how to correctly map the stupid collections and 
> relationships that 
> > are modeled in your object model. I did not take the time 
> to look at 
> > all your code but maybe this will help you out:
> > 
> The mapping is one obstacle, the other one is dealing 
> correctly with the dreaded m:n relations, there is a huge 
> lack of good documentation in this area, I hope the next 
> release of Hibernate in action will resolve that...
> 
> Hibernate is not a toy but it is harder to grasp in some 
> areas than a straight database approach via jdbc.
> I am just wondering all the time when I am banging my head 
> again for hours against some weirdness which was caused 
> mostly by a mistake of mine, due to lack of understanding / 
> documentation in a certain area, if there cannot be a sane 
> middleground somewhere.
> 
> 
> now it is getting really off topic ;-)
> 

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