Re: --> 1.1.0: 'lifetime' of the "param" is shorter than that of the managed bean

[Nebojsa Vasiljevic]

I sead:   ... it is hard to determinate *in what request* the session (bean) was initialized ...   I haven't sead that a managed bean could be initialized outside of any request/response cycle.   BTW, does JSR specifications specify that a managed bean can't be initialized outside of any request/response cycle? I don't know.   Nebojsa     ----- Original Message ----- From: ir. ing. Jan Dockx To: MyFaces Discussion Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: Re: --> 1.1.0: 'lifetime' of the "param" is shorter than that of the managed bean So you are saying that a managed bean could be initialized outside of any request/response cycle?! Explain. And even then, it is the responsibility of the programmer. No probs, if he does something funny, the app will crash always, so he'll notice on his first test. On 27 Sep 2005, at 15:57, Nebojsa Vasiljevic wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: ir. ing. Jan Dockx To: MyFaces Discussion Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 11:49 PM Subject: --> 1.1.0: 'lifetime' of the "param" is shorter than that of the managed bean   [...] There is a message that the 'lifetime' of the "param" is shorter than that of the managed bean. That's true, for sure. There is some method to this madness ;-). I don't know whether this is needed for spec compliancy (I think not though), but all in all, it is not true. Sure the lifetime of param is shorter than that of session, but that is not the issue. What we need for the value of a managed property is that it is there _when the bean is initialized_. That's a point in time, not a period. It doesn't have to be there all the time the managed bean lives! But the period of all possible points of time when the session was able to be initialized is longer than the current request lifetime.  So, it is hard to determinate in what request the session was initialized and it's not a good idea to depend on it.   Specifications sometime promote "not recommended"  to "prohibited", it is matter of style.   Nebojsa Met vriendelijke groeten, Jan Dockx PeopleWare NV - Head Office Cdt.Weynsstraat 85 B-2660 Hoboken Tel: +32 3 448.33.38 Fax: +32 3 448.32.66 PeopleWare NV - Branch Office Geel Kleinhoefstraat 5 B-2440 Geel Tel: +32 14 57.00.90 Fax: +32 14 58.13.25 http://www.peopleware.be/ http://www.mobileware.be/