Yes, right.
I was talking for my personal usage ;)
regards,
Martin
On 11/17/05, Volker Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Maybe the loadbundle problem occurs more often, but if we not forbid to
> use verbatim inside of ajax components there is also a problem.
>
> Regards
>
> Volker
>
> Martin Marinschek wrote:
> > not f:verbatim - not using this very much.
> >
> > f:loadBundle is the problem.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > On 11/17/05, Sean Schofield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>Can you give an example of how this verbatim thing is causing you
> >>problems? I tend to agree with the reasoning that Adam gave on this
> >>one.
> >>
> >>sean
> >>
> >>On 11/17/05, Martin Marinschek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>yes, my old friend f:loadBundle.
> >>>
> >>>major PITA, this thing ;)
> >>>
> >>>both that it is only evaluated in the JSP processing, but there only
> >>>in the render response phase - shouldn't that happen much earlier?
> >>>couldn't it be that we need the reference to an I18n text much earlier
> >>>in the lifecycle?
> >>>
> >>>regards,
> >>>
> >>>Martin
> >>>
> >>>On 11/17/05, Volker Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>I see the problems, but i still think it should be possible to have
> >>>>verbatim content inside of ajax updated components. And i don't see any
> >>>>chance to partialy re-execute the relevant jsp files .
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> - <c:if> will not re-execute, so if its condition has changed,
> >>>>
> >>>>could be replaced by using rendered attribute on jsf tags
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> - Resource bundles provided by <f:loadBundle> will not be available
> >>>>
> >>>>could be solved by a session scoped resource bundle tag
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> - Any EL expressions evaluated inside tags will not re-evaluate
> >>>>
> >>>>I currently don't know of those, but IMHO the evaluation of EL
> >>>>expressions should moved inside component or renderer than.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>So, to enable ajax updated panels we need custom tags for verbatim and
> >>>>loadbundle.
> >>>>
> >>>>Any more problems or other solutions ?
> >>>>
> >>>>Regards
> >>>> Volker
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Adam Winer wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>This is required by the spec because:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Performance - in the general case, saving the state for these is a
> >>>>> waste
> >>>>> - Re-evaluation - if you've got, say, ${} EL expressions inside
> >>>>> <f:verbatim>,
> >>>>> or any dynamically generated content from a tag, you'd better re-run
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> JSP or you'll be showing stale content.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>The second problem is important and cannot be resolved by changing
> >>>>>"transient" on f:verbatim.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Note that you've got other, likely bigger problems if you attempt to
> >>>>>render
> >>>>>without re-executing the JSP:
> >>>>> - <c:if> will not re-execute, so if its condition has changed, ah well
> >>>>> - Resource bundles provided by <f:loadBundle> will not be available
> >>>>> - Any EL expressions evaluated inside tags will not re-evaluate
> >>>>>
> >>>>>-- Adam
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On 11/16/05, Volker Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>i just came over a problem with verbatim tags in ajax enabled
> >>>>>>components.
> >>>>>>see:
> >>>>>>http://www.mail-archive.com/users%40myfaces.apache.org/msg12124.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>The UIOutput components created for verbatim tags are not saved to state
> >>>>>>because there are explicitly set to transient.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>This makes it impossible to use verbatim tags in content of ajax
> >>>>>>components.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Is there a spec reason for this, then we should have a tomahawk
> >>>>>>verbatim, or is this just because of performance?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>If not a spec reason this should be changed because seems to be a bug.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Regards
> >>>>>> Volker
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