Yes, the example uses a valueChangeListener and no value attribute.
There is the valueChangeListener only to check the items selected and
update the info string. If you pass a value with an array of String
(the selected values) as the value attribute of the picklist, those
values will be preselected when the component is rendered. If you
don't want any item preselected, just don't pass a value.
Look at the sources of the example (jsp [1] and backing bean [2]), and
if you need more detailed information, refer to the selectManyListbox
documentation [3].

Regards,

Bruno

[1] http://www.irian.at/myfaces-sandbox/picklist.jsp.source
[2] 
http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/myfaces/tomahawk/trunk/sandbox/examples/src/main/java/org/apache/myfaces/examples/picklist/PicklistBean.java?content-type=text%2Fplain
[3] 
http://java.sun.com/javaee/javaserverfaces/1.1_01/docs/tlddocs/h/selectManyListbox.html

On 5/3/06, octoberdan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

but that's with a valueChangeListener... can't you just set the value to be
an array?
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