You've lost me. What you mean by 'Depends on who is listening for the
events'? I thought - #{myBean.someMethod} is.
Am I missing something?

And there is no garantee from introducing a bug with any new code - this is
our life. Testing is always a part of dev. But how is it relevant to what
we're discussing?

vlad

On 7/7/07, Andrew Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Depends on who is listening for the events. Can you guarantee that
there will be no bugs in your code from doing this?

On 7/6/07, Vladimir Isakovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andrew,
> could you give me an example (use case) when I'm sending out a null
value,
> then on submit get "" back, and there is any harm of stopping
> valueChangeEvent from being fired.
>
> I can't come up with one.
>
> Sure, I may write some logic or a converter wraper in order to prevent
this
> unwanted event, I just was pointing to the fact that I was expected this
> from non altered framework.
>
> vlad
>
> On 7/6/07, Andrew Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > null has a special meaning, and thus why null != "" in terms of
> > UIInput. Null means that the value was not submitted at all. "" means
> > the value was submitted with no value. Thus why you need to convert ""
> > to null if that is what you wish. If the renderer converted "" to
> > null, then there would never be an update of the model.
> >
> > If you want, write a chain converter or a converter wrapper that
> > converts "" to null.
> >
> > It may look like:
> >
> > <h:inputText ...>
> > <my:emptyToNullConverter wrapConverterId="javax.faces.Integer " />
> > </h:inputText>
> >
> > then you can first check for "" and convert it to null, and if not,
> > delegate the check to the "inner converter"
> >
> > On 7/6/07, Vladimir Isakovich < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Although null and date are two separate issues, but I'm gettin the
> picture.
> > > I may create my own converters and attach them to all my fields as
I'm
> > > pleased.  But I'm trying to have some common services (if thay're
> missing in
> > > the framework) in a single place, well this may be arguable what's
> better.
> > > Sorry for annoyance, but still, why JSF would not check for nulls
for me
> > > (you've pointed the right method to be changed).
> > >
> > > With the date conversion I'll postpone the issue, I have to spend
more
> time
> > > tracing it.
> > >
> > > vlad
> >
>
>

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