Exactly my thoughts. I'd feel very much for such approach.Simplicity to get you started. Full complexity when you need it. -Wolf
On 7/25/07, Jesse Alexander (KSFD 121) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Or remove them from the "simple" sample and document them in the setup-document. The people for whom the defaults are ok, and that anyway wouldn't read the docs, they have a seed which is simple. For the others... they usually read the doc... regards Alexander ------------------------------ *From:* Martin Marinschek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2007 1:38 PM *To:* MyFaces Discussion *Subject:* Re: myFaces 1.2 problem You mean we should get those parameter out of the web.xml simple examples? Yes, that might be an option. I generally thought it helps people if they see the possibilities there are right in the examples. Maybe a marker "optional" would help. regards, Martin On 7/25/07, Wolf Benz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's true Martin - there is a lot defaulted. Yet, if it's almost all > defaulted, I think there's a case for leaving the web.xml much cleaner. > Certainly the obvious ones could be better left out, it makes the > web.xml only more verbose. > It gives people the impression there's a lot to configure before you get > MF to work. > Look at all the setup issues of MF120 now: a lot of people(that would > include me) then start to wonder whether perhaps it's perhaps due to one of > all these params that is wrongly set, whereas that's(mostly) not the case. > > > All that and those & their explanation could perhaps be better shifted > to the project documentation. > To my taste, I find that a little "cleaner" :-) > -Wolf > > On 7/25/07, Martin Marinschek < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I believe your statement is entirely wrong. > > > > None of the MyFaces-web.xml parameter is necessary - they are all > > optional, with default values if they are not provided. > > > > For MyFaces - the implementation - you got nothing to configure > > additionally in comparison to the RI. The StartupServletContextListener is > > an issue with certain servlet-containers only, and it is certainly not our > > problem, but a problem with these servlet-containers. MyFaces doesn't > > require configuring this. > > > > For Tomahawk, there is one additional filter necessary. That's it. For > > performance tweaks, you might need one or two more settings. I wouldn't call > > that much. > > > > regards, > > > > Martin > > > > On 7/25/07, Wolf Benz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Perhaps I better started a new thread on this but as this is a good > > > example: > > > Wouldn't it be a good idea for much more and aggressive defaulting > > > from MyFaces? > > > Take the web.xml: merely using myfaces makes the poor thing go > > > through the roof! > > > There are a few Context pars you can't do without but... the pretty > > > html, scroll, js, ... c'mon. > > > This StartupServletContextListener is another good example, the > > > AddStreamingresource Listener, ... it all just adds and adds. For newbies > > > coming from RI this alone is a reason to run back, fast! Certainly as -as is > > > pointed out in this thread as well- even doing do doesn;t guarantee a free > > > ride. With every Myfaces project, I have had startup problems. Currently as > > > well. (counter ticks 2 weeks now) > > > It's setup is too complex. Also a more standardized approach would > > > make troubleshooting much easier. > > > It's a trend also, with reason. Look at annotations e.g. where you > > > mostly only have to use them if you wish to override a default setting. > > > > > > > > > -Wolf > > > > > > On 7/25/07, Martin Marinschek < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > the StartupServletContextListener should automatically be run by > > > > the servlet container when it parses the tld. > > > > > > > > What you can do as a workaround: > > > > > > > > - declare the context-listener as explained in the stacktrace in > > > > your web.xml > > > > - use the MyFacesServlet instead of the FacesServlet > > > > > > > > In any case, make sure that the work and temp directories of the > > > > Tomcat are cleared, and that you have the MyFaces libraries available only > > > > in one version. > > > > > > > > I have had this problem quite often now - especially in Tomcat, > > > > and I'm quite desperate to find a solution for this. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/25/07, Wolf Benz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Indeed - and this is what made things already better for me - > > > > > before (2.5 & 1.2 versions), I had weird startup errors. --> for > > > > > the time being: better stick with versions 2.4 & 1.1 :-) -Wolf > > > > > > > > > > On 7/25/07, ncheltsov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, as much as I see, both documents are, like you say: 2.4 & > > > > > > 1.1? > > > > > > > > > > > > Wolf Benz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry - Look at the top of the 2 docs you cite: it refers to > > > > > > the version the document conforms to. > > > > > > At first I thought: I'm building a JSF1.2 app so I state: > > > > > > servlet v. 2.5(web.xml) & JSF-version 1.2 (in faces-config > > > > > > top) > > > > > > Yet, to my surprise, this gave me problems... > > > > > > Changed them back to 2.4 & 1.1 and the problems were gone. > > > > > > If you look at the demo apps Werner put online this morning, > > > > > > you'll see he also references 2.4 & 1.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The "why" for this failure is not clear to me. As you state > > > > > > yourself: it shouldn't be like this, it really should be 2.5 & > > > > > > 1.2... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK like this? > > > > > > -Wolf > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/24/07, ncheltsov <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, I don't really understand what you are saying! Can you > > > > > > > give more explanations? > > > > > > > I need to use JSF version 1.2, not 1.1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wolf Benz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tomcat I had this too at first. Then I changed > > > > > > > - in the web.xml the web app xsd version from 2.5 to 2.4, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > - in faces-config.xml the JSF version from 1.2 to 1.1 > > > > > > > ... and the problem was solved... ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The bleeb part is... it really should be 2.5 and 1.2, yet > > > > > > > this gave me errors... > > > > > > > Are the URLs wrong/not yet online (--> would SYSTEM & have > > > > > > > the files locally solve the problem?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & @Matthias: is the StartupServletContextListener still > > > > > > > necessary to declare in the web.xml? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Wolf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/24/07, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you try this jetty version: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <version>6.1.2rc0</version> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/24/07, ncheltsov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, I am trying to use myfaces 1.2 and I have the > > > > > > > > following error: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Factories configured for this Application. This > > > > > > > > happens if the > > > > > > > > > faces-initialization does not work at all - make sure > > > > > > > > that you properly > > > > > > > > > include all configuration settings necessary for a basic > > > > > > > > faces application > > > > > > > > > and that all the necessary libs are included. Also check > > > > > > > > the logging output > > > > > > > > > of your web application and your container for any > > > > > > > > exceptions! > > > > > > > > > If you did that and find nothing, the mistake might be > > > > > > > > due to the fact that > > > > > > > > > you use some special web-containers which do not support > > > > > > > > registering > > > > > > > > > context-listeners via TLD files and a context listener > > > > > > > > is not setup in your > > > > > > > > > web.xml. > > > > > > > > > A typical config looks like this; > > > > > > > > > <listener> > > > > > > > > > <listener-class>org.apache.myfaces.webapp > > > > > > > > .StartupServletContextListener</listener-class> > > > > > > > > > </listener> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Caused by: java.lang.IllegalStateExceptio n: No > > > > > > > > Factories configured for this > > > > > > > > > Application. This happens if the faces-initialization > > > > > > > > does not work at all - > > > > > > > > > make sure that you properly include all configuration > > > > > > > > settings necessary for > > > > > > > > > a basic faces application and that all the necessary > > > > > > > > libs are included. Also > > > > > > > > > check the logging output of your web application and > > > > > > > > your container for any > > > > > > > > > exceptions! If you did that and find nothing, the > > > > > > > > mistake might be due to > > > > > > > > > the fact that you use some special web-containers which > > > > > > > > do not support > > > > > > > > > registering context-listeners via TLD files and a > > > > > > > > context listener is not > > > > > > > > > setup in your web.xml. A typical config looks like this; > > > > > > > > > org.apache.myfaces.webapp.StartupServletContextListener > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > javax.faces.FactoryFinder.getFactory(FactoryFinder.java > > > > > > > > :90) > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > javax.faces.webapp.FacesServlet.init(FacesServlet.java > > > > > > > > :88) > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > org.mortbay.jetty.servlet.ServletHolder.initServlet( > > > > > > > > ServletHolder.java :433) > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > org.mortbay.jetty.servlet.ServletHolder.getServlet( > > > > > > > > ServletHolder.java:342) > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > org.mortbay.jetty.servlet.ServletHolder.handle( > > > > > > > > ServletHolder.java:463) > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > org.mortbay.jetty.servlet .ServletHandler.handle( > > > > > > > > ServletHandler.java:362) > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > org.mortbay.jetty.security.SecurityHandler.handle( > > > > > > > > SecurityHandler.java:216) > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > org.mortbay.jetty.servlet.SessionHandler.handle( > > > > > > > > SessionHandler.java :181) > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > org.mortbay.jetty.handler.ContextHandler.handle( > > > > > > > > ContextHandler.java:712) > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > org.mortbay.jetty.webapp.WebAppContext.handle( > > > > > > > > WebAppContext.java:405) > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > org.mortbay.jetty.handler .ContextHandlerCollection > > > > > > > > .handle(ContextHandlerCollection.java:211) > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > org.mortbay.jetty.handler.HandlerCollection.handle( > > > > > > > > HandlerCollection.java:114) > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > org.mortbay.jetty.handler.HandlerWrapper.handle( > > > > > > > > HandlerWrapper.java:139) > > > > > > > > > at org.mortbay.jetty.Server.handle(Server.java:313) at > > > > > > > > > org.mortbay.jetty.HttpConnection.handleRequest( > > > > > > > > HttpConnection.java:506) > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > org.mortbay.jetty.HttpConnection$RequestHandler.headerComple > > > > > > > > te(HttpConnection.java:830) > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > org.mortbay.jetty.HttpParser.parseNext(HttpParser.java > > > > > > > > :514) > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > org.mortbay.jetty.HttpParser.parseAvailable( > > > > > > > > HttpParser.java:211) > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > org.mortbay.jetty.HttpConnecti on.handle( > > > > > > > > HttpConnection.java:381) > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > org.mortbay.io.nio.SelectChannelEndPoint.run( > > > > > > > > SelectChannelEndPoint.java:396) > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > org.mortbay.thread.BoundedThreadPool$PoolThread.run( > > > > > > > > BoundedThreadPool.java :442) > > > > > > > > > I am using maven-jetty-plugin 6.1.5. I don't know what > > > > > > > > stays behind this > > > > > > > > > plugin, but when I try to use JBoss-4.2 I > > > > > > > > > got the similar exception: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [INFO] [talledLocalContainer] > > > > > > > > java.lang.IllegalStateException: Application > > > > > > > > > was not properly initialized at startup, could not find > > > > > > > > Factor > > > > > > > > > y: javax.faces.application.ApplicationFactory > > > > > > > > > [INFO] [talledLocalContainer] at > > > > > > > > > javax.faces.FactoryFinder .getFactory(FactoryFinder.java > > > > > > > > :256) > > > > > > > > > [INFO] [talledLocalContainer] at > > > > > > > > > com.sun.faces.config.ConfigureListener$InitFacesContext > > > > > > > > .getApplication(ConfigureListener.java:1614) > > > > > > > > > [INFO] [talledLocalContainer] at > > > > > > > > > com.sun.faces.util.MessageFactory.getApplication( > > > > > > > > MessageFactory.java:255) > > > > > > > > > [INFO] [talledLocalContainer] at > > > > > > > > > com.sun.faces.util.MessageFactory.getMessage( > > > > > > > > MessageFactory.java:144) > > > > > > > > > [INFO] [talledLocalContainer] at > > > > > > > > > com.sun.faces.util.MessageFactory.getMessage( > > > > > > > > MessageFactory.java:122) > > > > > > > > > [INFO] [talledLocalContainer] at > > > > > > > > > com.sun.faces.util.MessageUtils > > > > > > > > .getExceptionMessageString(MessageUtils.java:277) > > > > > > > > > [INFO] [talledLocalContainer] at > > > > > > > > > com.sun.faces.config.ConfigureListener.digester( > > > > > > > > ConfigureListener.java:1180) > > > > > > > > > [INFO] [talledLocalContainer] at > > > > > > > > > com.sun.faces.config.ConfigureL > > > > > > > > istener.contextInitialized(ConfigureListener.java:297) > > > > > > > > > [INFO] [talledLocalContainer] at > > > > > > > > > org.jboss.web.jsf.integration > > > > > > > > .config.JBossJSFConfigureListener.contextInitialized > > > > > > > > (JBossJSFConfigureLis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried everything and nothing helps. I tried to look in > > > > > > > > Internet, without > > > > > > > > > any result. Since the problem is reproduced on different > > > > > > > > > servers I began to thing, that this is the problem in > > > > > > > > JSF 1.2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my web.xml is classical: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <?xml version="1.0 "?> > > > > > > > > > <web-app xmlns="http://java.sun.com/xml/ns/j2ee"; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSche ma-instance" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xsi:schemaLocation="http://java.sun.com/xml/ns/j2ee > > > > > > > > > http://java.sun.com/xml/ns/j2ee/web-app_2_4.xsd " > > > > > > > > > version="2.4"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <display-name>Hardware Tracing > > > > > > > > System</display-name> > > > > > > > > > <description>Hardware Tracing System</description> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <listener> > > > > > > > > > <listener-class> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > org.apache.myfaces.webapp.StartupServletContextListener > > > > > > > > > </listener-class> > > > > > > > > > </listener> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <servlet> > > > > > > > > > <servlet-name>javax.faces.FacesServlet > > > > > > > > </servlet-name> > > > > > > > > > <servlet-class>javax.faces.webapp.FacesServlet > > > > > > > > </servlet-class> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > </servlet> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <servlet-mapping> > > > > > > > > > <servlet-name>javax.faces.FacesServlet > > > > > > > > </servlet-name> > > > > > > > > > <url-pattern>*.jsf</url-pattern> > > > > > > > > > </servlet-mapping> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- Welcome files --> > > > > > > > > > <welcome-file-list> > > > > > > > > > <welcome-file>helloWorld.jsf</welcome-file> > > > > > > > > > </welcome-file-list> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > </web-app> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my faces-config.xml also: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <?xml version="1.0"?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!DOCTYPE faces-config PUBLIC > > > > > > > > > "-//Sun Microsystems, Inc.//DTD JavaServer Faces > > > > > > > > Config 1.0//EN" > > > > > > > > > "http://java.sun.com/dtd/web-facesconfig_1_1.dtd"; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <faces-config> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- managed beans of the simple hello world app > > > > > > > > --> > > > > > > > > > <managed-bean> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <managed-bean-name>helloWorldBacking</managed-bean-name> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <managed-bean-class>bg.obs.hts.HelloWorldBacking > > > > > > > > </managed-bean-class> > > > > > > > > > <managed-bean-scope > > > > > > > > >request</managed-bean-scope> > > > > > > > > > </managed-bean> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- navigation rules for helloWorld.jsp --> > > > > > > > > > <navigation-rule> > > > > > > > > > <from-view-id>/helloWorld.jsp</from-view-id> > > > > > > > > > <navigation-case> > > > > > > > > > <from-outcome>success</from-outcome> > > > > > > > > > <to-view-id>/helloWorld.jsp< /to-view-id> > > > > > > > > > </navigation-case> > > > > > > > > > </navigation-rule> > > > > > > > > > </faces-config> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where the bleep is the problem. Any Idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Matthias Wessendorf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further stuff: > > > > > > > > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > > > > > > > > mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > http://www.irian.at > > > > > > > > Your JSF powerhouse - > > > > JSF Consulting, Development and > > > > Courses in English and German > > > > > > > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > http://www.irian.at > > > > Your JSF powerhouse - > > JSF Consulting, Development and > > Courses in English and German > > > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > > > > -- http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
