I've accidentally responded only to Gili outside the list, apologizes.
Forwarding the conversation.
Jan
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: cowwoc <cow...@bbs.darktech.org>
Date: Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: Question about issue tracker
To: Jan Lahoda <lah...@gmail.com>
Yes. Go ahead.
Gili
On 2017-12-31 10:04 AM, Jan Lahoda wrote:
Hi Gili,
Thanks for the pointer. I'll look at what I can. I accidentally sent the
e-mail just to you instead of the mailing list - is it OK to forward your
e-mail back to the mailing lists?
Thanks,
Jan
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:02 PM, cowwoc <cow...@bbs.darktech.org> wrote:
> Hi Jan,
>
> Here are some concrete examples:
>
> https://netbeans.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=270632 <-- makes IDE slow
> to the point of being unusable
> https://netbeans.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=252602 <-- not as bad, but
> still extremely annoying if you are using Find Usages frequently
> https://netbeans.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=270272 <-- impossible to
> debug lambdas
> https://netbeans.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=250595 <-- error that
> depends on your project state, but once you get into this bad state it is
> extremely annoying (parsing errors get thrown very frequently)
> https://netbeans.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=255791 <-- parsing issue
> similar to previous one
> https://netbeans.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=271633 <-- cannot
> code-complete methods in enums. I've recently seen a similar problem for
> non-enum anonymous classes. End result: I keep on having to type method
> prototypes by hand.
>
> Some of these issues have been around for years. There are stack-traces,
> profiler dumps, and sometimes even full-out repro steps but there has been
> no follow-up from the committers' end. Communication is very important to
> prevent bug reports from becoming stale, so if you are unable to reproduce
> the issue the sooner you tell me the better so we can collect more logs.
>
> Anyway, fixing some/most of these bugs would go a long way towards
> improving my working experience with Netbeans. For the past couple of years
> I have felt that we should dedicate an entire release towards bug fixing
> (no new features) to make Netbeans more reliable and performant. It's still
> a good IDE but compared to Intellij there is no comparison (this was not
> always the case). I want to keep on using Netbeans, so I hope we can
> streamline this process.
>
> PS: It is absolutely vital that the Exception Reporter infrastructure be
> moved over to the new bug tracker. I can't imagine having to report all
> these issues by hand... The vast majority of bugs I run into on a daily
> basis are NullPointerExceptions, parsing errors, and such. In these cases,
> the Exception Reporter does a better job than I would collecting all the
> relevant files (and keystoke history) to help you reproduce the problem.
>
> PS2: If you want to save users even more time, try detecting if a bug is
> known before asking us to enter a description. Very often I see a report is
> fully fleshed out and all I need to log my vote ("I'm impacted by this
> bug"). Asking me to enter a description each time is annoying and
> discourages me from reporting bugs in the first place.
>
> Thanks,
> Gili
>
>
> On 2017-12-31 3:04 AM, Jan Lahoda wrote:
>
> Hi Gili,
>
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 7:28 AM, cowwoc <cow...@bbs.darktech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Are there any plans to open up (migrate) the issue tracker for the
>> broader apache community to tackle existing/old Netbeans bugs?
>>
>> I ask because I feel like the bandwidth for fixing Java Editor bugs is
>> like sucking a milkshake through a straw: major bugs are being reported at
>> an expoentially-growing rate and they are being fixed at a rate of 1-2 a
>> week. The nightly builds are frankly barely usable anymore. I am
>> specifically concerned about Maven + Java projects where I routinely get
>> NullPointerExceptions and "slow action" errors (actions taking 13-20
>> seconds to complete on a seemingly random basis).
>>
>
> Do you have links to the bugs reported about the problems you see? (Using
> the Apache tracker for new bugs would be strongly preferred.) Or are there
> some pull requests?
>
> Thanks,
> Jan
>
>
>>
>> This component needs more love. And soon. Can you please prioritize
>> accordingly?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Gili
>>
>> (For context, I've been using Netbeans since 1999 so when I say things
>> are unstable I've got a long track-record to judge by)
>>
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