All,

in my opinion, even if Oracle changed the terms and meant it (which
would be welcome of course) -- there won't be a guarantee, that they
will flip-flop again after a new lawyer/COO/whatever arrived.

Any corporate's worst nightmare is to a java stack running, which is
suddenly affected by such legal threads. Its all about trust and
confidence, not necessarily about technical performance.

So at least for us, it is Liberica and as little Oracle as ever
possible and no announcement is going to change that.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, try to avoid.

Good luck.

On Tue, 2021-09-14 at 19:12 -0500, Raul Cosio wrote:
> Thanks Will, interesting reading but I still don't get it. Comments
> from the group are welcome.
> I've read the license many times but it doesn't look clear to me, the
> license says that It grants to you, a limited license to internally
> use the unmodified programs for the purposes of "developing, testing,
> prototyping and demonstrating your application, and running the
> program for you own personal use or internal business operations".
> That last part does look to me the same as the last license because
> it means that I can use the JDK for my "private personal use", and in
> my company I can use it "for internal business operations". Running
> the JDK for a public tomcat web server is considered internal
> business operations?. However, as you indicated in your email, Donald
> Smith in his blog, said that "it is free for commercial and
> production use" as long as it is not redistributed for a fee. Would
> that mean that I can sell my product with a JDK included as long as I
> include a paragraph saying that "The JDK is included freely as a
> courtesy"?
> 
> Regards,
> Raul Cosio
> 
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 12:34 PM Will Hartung <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > JDK 17 is out.
> > 
> > And there was this interesting development.
> > 
> > https://blogs.oracle.com/java/post/free-java-license
> > 
> > Top two bullet points:
> > 
> > +   Oracle is making the industry leading Oracle JDK available for
> > free, including all quarterly security updates.  This includes
> > commercial and production use.
> > 
> > +   The new license is the "Oracle No-Fee Terms and Conditions"
> > (NFTC) license.  This license for the Oracle JDK permits free use
> > for all users, even commercial and production use.  Redistribution
> > is permitted as long as it is not for a fee.
> > 
> > So, I thought this was interesting news.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Will Hartung
> > 

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