Hello Fay,

no reason to worry, it is logical that the time saved to the database depends on the default time zone in Java. If you don't set the default time zone, it uses the time in your operating system.

I did say that the database field TIMESTAMP default is without time zone - you can specify that it does save the timezone, but that is an optional extra and database vendor specific (I think).

The issue here is that Java times and dates are time-zone-independent, because they are held as milliseconds past 1970-01-01 GMT/UTC

As Paul said, your database stores time-zone-dependent values (i.e. times without a timezone) and the time zone that they are dependent on is the time zone of your operating system, because JDBC uses that to work out what the millisecond past 1970 value is. So if you change your OS timezone, you change all the timestamps in your database - as far as Java is concerned.

I figure that this not optimal, since you have to be careful if you move a database from a host in one timezone to a host in another timezone, but how often does that happen?


Fay Wang on 17/03/09 23:41, wrote:
To my knowledge, as far as DB2 is concerned, DB2 v9 and below does not have "timestamp with time zone" data type. The value stored in the DB2 timestamp column is without time zone information. It is up to the application to determine the time zone. For example, in my db2 table, I have the following value 2009-03-17-22.05.37.569000
stored in my timestamp column.

If I set the default time zone to UTC in my application, I get the value back as:
Created time        : Tue Mar 17 22:05:37 UTC 2009

If I did not set the default time zone to UTC, I get this value:

Created time        : Tue Mar 17 22:05:37 PDT 2009

A new data type "Timestamp with time zone" may be introduced in the next DB2 
release, but currently there is no way to store the time zone information in the 
timestamp column. DB2 experts, please correct me if I am wrong.

Having said that, with this statement, dt.setCreatedTime(Calendar.getInstance(TimeZone.getTimeZone("Etc/UTC")));

when application sets default time zone to UTC, the timestamp value in the database becomes "2009-03-17-23.26.53.320000". Without setting the default time zone, the timestamp value in the database is "2009-03-17-16.23.27.494000". Let me try a simple POJO test case to see if this is an openjpa problem or not.

--- On Tue, 3/17/09, Paul Copeland <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Paul Copeland <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: How do I persist timestamp in UTC timezone?
To: [email protected]
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 3:04 PM
Of course java.util.Date is already measured in milliseconds
UTC without regard to TimeZone.  So it may seem that you are
converting your Date objects to a different timezone, but
that's not the case.  This is why you can use
Calendar.compareTo() with objects in different TimeZones.

By definition - new Date() is the same thing as new
Date(System.currentTimeMillis()) no matter what the default
TimeZone!

The link cited by Fazi implies that you have to store the
TimeZone along with the date if you want to load the date
(milliseconds) back into a Calendar object representing that
TimeZone.

If you change the default timezone to UTC (or Moscow, etc.)
then all the other Calendar objects that are meant to
represent the default Locale will be wrong!

- Paul

On 3/17/2009 2:15 PM, Fay Wang wrote:
Hi Fazi,
I found that by putting
TimeZone.setDefault(TimeZone.getTimeZone("Etc/UTC"));
   to make your java app in UTC time zone (see below
in testDate), openjpa will store the dates in UTC in the
database.
    public void testDate(){
        TimeZone.setDefault(TimeZone.getTimeZone("Etc/UTC"));
        DateTest dt = new DateTest();
        dt.setId(id);
        dt.setCreatedTime(Calendar.getInstance(TimeZone.getTimeZone("UTC")));
        dt.setStartTime(new Date());



-Fay


--- On Tue, 3/17/09, fazi
<[email protected]> wrote:
From: fazi <[email protected]>
Subject: How do I persist timestamp in UTC
timezone?
To: [email protected]
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 9:56 AM
Hi I need to persist all timestamps in UTC timezone.
I found
this documentation
which talks about using Calendar by setting the
timezone
value to the
desired timezone

(http://openjpa.apache.org/builds/1.1.0/apache-openjpa-1.1.0/docs/manual/ref_guide_pc_scos.html#ref_guide_pc_calendar_timezone),
plus this JIRA

(https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENJPA-322) that
gives me some idea on how I can initialize
Calendar to
insert/update time in
UTC but nothing has worked so far. The timestamps
are
always entered and
read in DB local timezone (PDT). I noticed that
the
Calendar timezone of the
retrieved object is set correctly to UTC, however,
the time
is still in
local timezone (PDT). I also noticed that the
retrieved
object has JPA
implementation of the Calendar object:

org.apache.openjpa.util.java$util$GregorianCalendar$proxy.
We are using openJPA version 1.1.0. I am copying my artifacts below. The test class
has two
timestamp fields,
one is for UTC timezone and the other one is for
local
timezone to show that
both values are same. Please let me know if any other information can
help
understand this problem
better. Any help on this matter will be greatly
appreciated. ---------------------------------------------------------
TestDate table:
CREATE TABLE DATETEST (
                ID VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
CREATEDTIME TIMESTAMP,
    STARTTIME TIMESTAMP)
----------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------
JPA class:

----------------------------------------------------------
package com.my.package.entity;

import java.io.Serializable;
import java.util.Calendar;
import java.util.Date;
import java.util.TimeZone;

import javax.persistence.*;


@Entity
@Table(name="DATETEST")
public class DateTest implements Serializable  {

        @Id
        @Column(name="ID")
        private  String  id;

        @Temporal(TemporalType.TIMESTAMP)
        @Column(name="CREATEDTIME")
        private  Calendar  createdTime =

Calendar.getInstance(TimeZone.getTimeZone("UTC"));
        @Temporal(TemporalType.TIMESTAMP)
        @Column(name="STARTTIME")
        private  Date  startTime;

        public Calendar getCreatedTime() {
                return createdTime;
        }

        public void setCreatedTime(Calendar createdTime)
{
                this.createdTime = createdTime;
        }

        public Date getStartTime() {
                return startTime;
        }

        public void setStartTime(Date startTime) {
                this.startTime = startTime;
        }

        public String getId() {
                return id;
        }

        public void setId(String id) {
                this.id = id;
        }
}

----------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------
JUnit test:

----------------------------------------------------------
   @Test
   public void testDate()
   {
          DateTest dt = new DateTest();
     dt.setId(id);
dt.setCreatedTime(Calendar.getInstance(TimeZone.getTimeZone("UTC")));
     dt.setStartTime(new Date());
        
     try
     {
       //persist
     }
     catch (Exception e)
     {
       fail(e.getMessage());
     }
          // Check result
     DateTest returned = null;
     try
     {
       returned = //find by id;
       Calendar createdTimeC =
returned.getCreatedTime();
System.out.println("createdTime type
 :
" +
createdTimeC.getClass().getName());
       System.out.println("createdTime
timezone:
" +
createdTimeC.getTimeZone());
System.out.println("Created time
 :
" +
createdTimeC.getTime());
System.out.println("Start time
 :
" +
returned.getStartTime());
       System.out.println("Created time
(millisecs):
" +
createdTimeC.getTimeInMillis());
       System.out.println("Start time
(millisecs)  :
" +
returned.getStartTime().getTime());
     }
     catch (Exception e)
     {
       fail(e.getMessage());
     }
}
----------------------------------------------------------
The output is:

createdTime type    :

org.apache.openjpa.util.java$util$GregorianCalendar$proxy
createdTime timezone:

sun.util.calendar.ZoneInfo[id="UTC",offset=0,dstSavings=0,useDaylight=false,transitions=0,lastRule=null]
Created time        : Tue Mar 17 09:40:39 PDT 2009
Start time          : Tue Mar 17 09:40:39 PDT 2009
Created time (millisecs): 1237308039662
Start time (millisecs)  : 1237308039662


----------------------------------------------------------
And the DB entry shows:

db2> select * from DATETEST

ID CREATEDTIME
               STARTTIME
---------------
---------------------------------- -------------------------------------
utc_test1 2009-03-16-16.14.32.380000
       2009-03-16-16.14.32.380000

1 record(s) selected.

db2>

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