On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 16:42:52 -0500
Alexandro Colorado <j...@oooes.org> wrote:

> lots of replies for someone that never came back to clarify its point.
> Is clearly a spam email.
<snip>

[RoryOF] There have been other emails in this thread towards the same point, 
which I won't quote. The INVALID marker in the yahoo.com address seems to be 
added by the Apache listkeeper and must be removed manually before replying to 
the OP.  I have received a personal reply from him which elaborates on the 
points he makes.  Below I echo this to the list. I am not a Calc user in other  
than the most trivial sense (one A4 page of simple calculation); I have also 
not used a Mac in 35+ years, so am beyond my knowledge in this. [/RoryOF] 

Detailed email received:
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Thanks Rory.  The file I downloaded was the "full installation" for Mac OSX 
64-bit DMG at http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html

I mainly use it for the spreadsheets.  I'm somewhat reticent to try it again 
but at this point I have a bunch of spreadsheets in the .ods format now and the 
idea of converting them to use in Excel (which, if it weren't for the bugs in 
Openoffice, would actually be an inferior program in some respects).  


I'm willing to accept the issue with my middle mouse button may be something 
more complicated.  I remember uninstalilng an earlier version of Openoffice and 
the problem went away.  I don't honestly have many times when I wish to use it, 
so it's one of the lesser issues.  However now having uninstalled version 4.1 
the issue still persists, so for all I know, it is something else, despite the 
fact that I thought i had pinned it down to Openoffice.  


The other weird thing is that I was using 4.0 but now when I go to that same 
link and try to download a full installation for 4.0, it says that there is 
none available for my system.  I don't know how I installed it before if there 
is no installer for it.  


By far the most annoying bug from 4.0 was the scrollbar issue.  As mentioned, 
with large spreadsheets, scrolling down very far caused it to be very difficult 
to return up.  You could do it, but it would go very slowly.  It would not let 
you drag the bar up as quickly as you wanted.  You could scroll up with the 
middle mouse wheel but that would take forever with the size of documents I'm 
talking about (I'm not sure what the cut-off was, but imagine several hundreds 
to thousands of rows of spreadsheet).  Usually I would just have to return to 
the top by searching for known contents of an earlier cell or using the "go to 
cell" feature, which is obnoxious.  And I know I'm not the only one who has 
this problem because I've read about it as a known issue.  Whether or not it 
persists in 4.1 I have no idea because the program wouldn't even launch 
completely.  


Overall, I wish that Openoffice would work better because there are advantages 
to it.  An .ods spreadsheet is much smaller than an .xls file of the exact same 
spreadsheet, for one.  I believe the "find" function is also better in 
Openoffice than Excel (at least the version I have).  I admit that not being 
able to even sign up for the support forum was the thing that broke my patience 
entirely, plus the inability to now even revert to using the version of the 
program I had been using for lack of installer.  

By the way, if you're curious, I'm using a Mac Pro 2.1, 2 x 3ghz Quad core 
Intel Xeon with 16 gb of RAM (most support people inevitably want to know what 
your system is).  



On Saturday, October 18, 2014 4:27 AM, Rory O'Farrell <ofarr...@iol.ie> wrote:
 


On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 23:08:50 -0700
michael sintros <mbsint...@yahoo.com.INVALID> wrote:

> Your software is so terrible that I lack the appropriate words to describe 
> it.  I have used version 4.0 for a long time now.  It functions... barely.  
> Using the side scroll bar in large documents, once you scroll to the bottom, 
> it will not let you scroll back up.  This is incredibly mindbogglingly 
> annoying.  The software also hijacks my middle mouse button and regardless of 
> the application, will not function at all if the software is installed at 
> all.  This is not only annoying but creepy.  Why if Openoffice is installed 
> but not even open does it affect the behavior of other programs.  Ridiculous. 
>  
> 
> 
> Now I see that 4.1 has been released.  With hope that some of these issues 
> would be fixed I installed it on my computer.  It took several minutes for 
> the program to not even open at all, giving me "not responding" messages, 
> hijacking my computer so that I couldn't even do things in other applications 
> and finally I had to force quit it.  
> 
> 
> If all of that weren't bad enough, I went on your "support" forum to talk 
> about this but I can't even register.  Why?  Who the fuck knows.  It keeps 
> telling me that I need a valid email address even though I've entered my 
> email address about 800 times. 
> 
> 
> Not only are you people incapable of writing a fully functional program, but 
> you can't even properly create a functional support forum for that 
> malfunctioning garbage software.  Yes, it's free and I don't have to use it.  
> Congratulations, you have created a piece of software that is not only not 
> worth using for free but wouldn't be worth using if someone paid me to do so. 
>  

Can you please tell us _exactly_ the name and size of the file you have 
downloaded to install OpenOffice 4.1; from which site did you download it (URL 
should be in download history).

With regard to your experience logging on to the User support forum, I am sure 
that when a Forum Administrator comes online he will look into this.

The behaviour of OpenOffice on your computer is not typical as over 100 million 
users can testify.  It may be that you now distrust it and would prefer nothing 
to do with it, in which case I suggest you look for other Office suites. These 
include (inter alia) LibreOffice (based largely on OO code), and Caligra. If 
you require simply a wordprocessor perhaps AbiWord might suit your needs.

-- 
Rory O'Farrell <ofarr...@iol.ie>

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