I am reposting a previous message, because, after 3 days the original message 
could not be delivered to the mailing list server.
At this time (several other messages have been posted on the same thread), it 
does not add much to help Alan, except to support him, emphasizing that the 
way OOo handles list numbering is rather poor. 

And yes, I have read several OOo docs on styling and numbering, but I find 
them rather simple (naive?) and not helping much if you want to do something 
slightly less straightforward. 
And I also find, here and everywhere, that if a user has a lot of trouble and 
has to do a lot of reading in order to use a simple feature of a program, 
than, probably, the program or feature is not well implemented.
José


Dizia Alan Chandler em Segunda 21 Novembro 2005 21:33:
(...)
> I think part of the problem is there there is something wrong with the
> implementation (see below), and the help files assume you already know what
> you are doing.  Just as an example of the unintuitive mess you can get
> into, I attach a little jpg file.
>
> Just in case it gets filtered out from this mailing list let me explain
> what it shows.
(...)

I also think there is an implementation problem of automatic numbering in 
OOo :-(:-( . Your experience (and the example you described) show that quite 
clearly: besides the incorrectness of the numbering, the indentation 
conflicts are extremely annoying and difficult to resolve. (I have also 
published some examples/demonstrations of problems similar to the one you 
described, when my discussion thread was active.)

But I also think there is a design flaw: there will always be problems upon 
applying an independent numbering "styling" over a paragraph "styling", which 
has its own indentations (which get interfered beyond repair). It would be 
much easier, I think, to include numbering styling _inside_ paragraph styling 
(a field amongst others, like text flow or something). This already happens 
on a paragraph field that links to a numbering style; unfortunately, the 
numbering styles are _independent_ and, as implemented, severely interfere 
with paragraph indentation. :-(:-(

(The situation is different for character and paragraph styling; upon applying 
a character style on a letter inside a paragraph, the only thing that is 
changed is the style of that specific letter; nothing else is changed.
In the case of automatic numbering, the same could perhaps be done _if_ the 
numbering style would _not_ include indentation formatting, thereby not 
colliding with paragraph indentation formatting!)

José

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