On Fri, 2006-11-10 at 16:58 +1000, Naomi Kramer wrote:
> Hi Al,
> 
> Looks as though maybe you've gotten confused between two similar but 
> different 'outline' concepts. One is used in lists, and gives you 
> something like this:
> 
> 1. Do this
> 2. Do that
>     a. blah blah
>        i)
> 
> ..etc. That's what I was giving instructions for in the post you found.
> 
> You probably want heading-level outlines, though. Like this:
> 
> 1. Introduction
> Blah blah blah blah blah
> 2. Basic Hygeine
> Blah blah blah
> 2.1 Using a Toothbrush
> (instructions)
> 2.2 Using Soap
> 2.2.1 Not Getting Soap in Your Eyes
> 
> To do that, you might want to create a character style (for the 
> numbering/lettering) and you definitely need a paragraph style for each 
> outline level. Typically, you'd use Heading 1, Heading 2 etc. Then you 
> go to Tools -> Outline Numbering and set a paragraph style for each 
> outline level. If you select Show sublevels for each outline level past 
> 1, you end up with the sort of numbering shown above (2.2.1 etc).
> 
> The TOC also references the heading-level outline settings.
> 
> For a more in-depth discussion of outline numbering, have a look at page 
> 18 of 
> http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/oooauthors2/0207WG-WorkingWithStyles.pdf
>  
> (Using styles in outlining) and the following pages.
> 
> Does that help?
> 
> - Naomi
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm new to the list. I searched the archives on Outlining in OOWriter. I
> > have used Outlining for manuscripts in M$ Word. It works very
> > intuitively as an "Outline" View. 
> > Is there any chance that an outline View or another application that
> > does outlines will be usable in OO that functions at least as good as M
> > $? Workarounds with formatting and such as suggested in the archived
> > mailings is not an option for serious work. I have been using OO with
> > "outline" formatting as suggested by Naomi Kramer
> > (http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=130699),
> > but it can easily come unstuck in the formatting and more cumbersome
> > than an outliner app or M$ Outline View. It also lacks the "Typical
> > features of electronic outliners" as noted at:
> > http://www.innovationtools.com/Articles/ArticleDetails.asp?a=107. 
> > M$ Word can do it all.
> >
> > Is it so difficult to get a module for outlines in OO?
> >
> > Is there any other Outline apps that works with OO that both import and
> > export seamlessly in OO, or is there an OpenSource alternative to do
> > Outlining and word processing simultaneously? 
> >
> > Regards,
> > Al
> 
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Hi Naomi, 

thanx for the response. Pardon my delayed answer. I am not coming to the
Outlining of my very large > 200 page document at the moment. 

I have been using the outline numbering as you and Claudia suggest in
this thread. It works fine as a formatting tool, but the features of an
Outline tool as used in M$Office-Word does not seem to be available in
OO-Writer. Features I used a lot in 
M$Office-Word was: (taken from the link above)

# singling out and display all the items at the top level of the
hierarchy, or any other level, blending out the lower levels
# showing the subheads under a major heading, or including only the
first sentence
# hiding and revealing the subheads under any particular heading, while
remaining in the higher outline displayed, and you only see the subheads
of this particular heading
# easily move an entire section of your outline (not as easy with OO as
with M$)
# record notes within your evolving structure, which can be printed as
hidden text on the bottom of the text or as an addendum. It is not the
standard referencing that OO also does as foot or end notes. These are
notes that contain comments and references in research that is for the
author and is not part of the normal document.

I am wading through the WikiPedia Outline topic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliner to find some compatible software.
It would be nice to have it all in OO. I have installed M$ with
CodeWeavers, but I want to get away from M$ to Open Source.

Has anyone used outline software in conjunction with OO? Reading on an
outlinersoftware.com forum
(http://www.outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/114/0/software-for-dissertation-research-writing),
 it may be that OO is not aiming to haven outline software features. One 
participant called Softwareguru is an OO, Java, .Net and C# developer using 
IdeaMason. 

Would it be feasible to have such features as a module for OO-Writer?

:-)
Al

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