M Henri:

Thank you for your comments.

However, I disagree with the ignorance vs. stupidity comment.  I have dealt 
with and deal with
some very ignorant folks.  They are like goats, and take a lot of pushing to 
get them to do
anything.  Stupidity takes education, which is a lot easier.

However, if we can provide an example, most people will follow.

James McKenzie


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>From: M Henri Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Jan 8, 2007 7:48 AM
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>Subject: Re: [users] Forced Registration For This List (was Re: [users]Return 
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>2007/1/8, rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: M Henri Day [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: 08 January 2007 10:18
>> To: [email protected]; James Mckenzie
>> Subject: Re: [users] Forced Registration For This List (was Re:
>> [users]Return receipts)
>>
>> 2007/1/8, James Mckenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>> <snip>What do other readers think of the requirement to post through a web
>> page if you are not subscribed using a simple form like this:
>>
>> Your e-mail address:
>> > Subject of your question:
>> > Details on what you are trying to accomplish or problem:
>> >
>> > Note:  Your message will be reviewed prior to posting to the appropriate
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>> > James McKenzie
>>
>>
>>
>> I certainly think it worth a try - it won't resolve all the problems from
>> which the list suffers, but it may - only time will tell - alleviate some
>> of
>> the most pressing ones. It should be of aid to inexperienced users in
>> thinking through their problems and learning how to describe them in a
>> manner which is meaningful to others - things that they often (not always
>> !)
>> need to learn. Perhaps this particular problem could be addressed by
>> adding
>> a link on the archives to a page entitled <How to ask questions and get
>> answers>, on which advice is given - with examples - concerning such
>> matters
>> as naming the specific problem in the subject line, providing information
>> on
>> the equipment one is using, describing events in the detail and in the
>> order
>> they occur, and not least, looking up similar problems in the archive....
>>
>> Henri
>>
>> I agree it is worth a try but how about adding a request to know the
>> operating system they are working on as often this can help to solve the
>> problem.
>>
>> Rob
>
>
>I'm with you all the way, Rob - indeed, this is one of the things I meant
>when I referred to «providing information on the equipment one is using».
>But here it is probably wise to be very explicit - and provide concrete
>examples of the type «I'm using OOo version x.x on a Windows XP SP 2
>computer with a clock speed of X MHz and a RAM with X MB capacity. ...», so
>that novices can have the opportunity to learn just what type of information
>is relevant to the task of sorting out their problems. To paraphrase Harold
>Fuchs's observation, the distinction between ignorance and stupidity is that
>the former is amenable to treatment....
>
>Henri

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